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Old 02-20-2008, 07:54 PM
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Our neuropsychologist will be requesting an IEP for Nicole. He will be requesting that an Occupational Therapist work with her also. When I mentioned this at her teachers conference tonight, the teacher that works with her in reading said, if she qualifies for an IEP. Am I wrong to be assuming that with the neuropsychologist requesting this, it is a given. I just want to be prepared for any roadblocks that might come up.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:01 PM
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My understanding is that the testing that they do at school (perhaps they will accept the Psych's test) will determine if she gets an IEP. They have to show quite a difference in intelligence to performance. That is how it was explained to me. Rebecca tests in gifted range, but her performance on some other tests and school work says she is having difficulty. Basically they try to develop a plan that will elevate the childs academic scores to their intelligence range.

Children in Special Ed that do not have the capacity to do higher level learning are not thought to be helped by the Individualized Education Plan.

I hope I have expressed this correctly.
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I've had IEP, ASE, you name it, been
through it all - since I was placed in
Public School. I'm sick of it!

I still HAVE my IEP, ASE, etc, even my
son's.

*sigh*

Moms keeps everything. But one does
not have to be a failure to be in special
education; I was actually in accelerated
(advanced) classes but under special
education program.

It drove me up the freaking wall with
all these therapies, neuropsych tests,
speech, language, memory tests, and
yadda, yadda, yadda ...

I could scan mine, but it's carbon copy
on yellow, but since I have a new MPC,
it might work, but I'd have to erase my
last name off and my School off - but
leave everything else on and post it,
that is - if it would work.

IEP is just merely an Individual Educa-
tion Plan. A plan to how to improve your
son/daughter's performance, and how
to expand or focus on the weakness,
as well as therapy if any, special needs
if applies, occupational therapy, voca-
tional therapy, et cetera.

I've been IEP'd to death!
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I am familiar with IEP's as my youngest daughter had one for short term memory loss. Nicole is about 5 months behind where she should be academically. We were having behavior problems but since we reduced the Lamictal, her behavior has improved greatly. Now we are trying to get the academics up. I'm afraid that the testing might not qualify her for an IEP. So far, the teacher has been wonderful. She set up the first meeting to discuss Nicole's academics and they have been very helpful. I'm just worried that if she does not qualify for an IEP this year, the teacher next year might not be so helpful. Maybe I should be concentrating on educating myself on the 504. I just wish I didn't have to worry about her education and whether teachers are going to cooperate with me.

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Old 02-20-2008, 09:41 PM
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Just so you know, you can have the most gifted child in the school, and the teacher might not be cooperative. I think it takes a lot of work to have a special relationship with each teacher. However, that is part of life too. Children need to learn that not all people they run into will be loving, compassionate, intelligent, or helpful.

I think if a child is not a behavior problem the teachers are willing to work with you. Take that back, my son had some behavior issues, but they knew that the parents were going to support them, so they saw the unique individual that he is.

If you can it is helpful to volunteer in the classroom, you get a peek at the dynamics. It is like taking the pulse. A 504 at the very least is important for Nicole. That does not need testing.

Do they have special ed classes that are not integrated in the mainstream classroom?
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Originally Posted by tinasmom View Post:
I am familiar with IEP's as my youngest daughter had one for short term memory loss. Nicole is about 5 months behind where she should be academically. We were having behavior problems but since we reduced the Lamictal, her behavior has improved greatly. Now we are trying to get the academics up. I'm afraid that the testing might not qualify her for an IEP. So far, the teacher has been wonderful. She set up the first meeting to discuss Nicole's academics and they have been very helpful. I'm just worried that if she does not qualify for an IEP this year, the teacher next year might not be so helpful. Maybe I should be concentrating on educating myself on the 504. I just wish I didn't have to worry about her education and whether teachers are going to cooperate with me.

Thank you for your replies.
I never heard of a student not qualifying
for an IEP after being qualified?

Once you're in Special Education, you're
pretty much stuck in there for eternity
until you graduate!

Your School System must function
completely different from our System.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:59 PM
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Brain - Nicole is not qualified yet. Maybe I should clarify the relationship. I have 2 daughters, Tina (died from Sudden Unexplained Death in Epilepsy) and Deidre (19,my youngest). Nicole is Tina's daughter, my granddaughter who we adopted after Tina's death. Ours is a very complicated situation.

Robin - I am not sure if they have special ed classes that are not mainstreamed. I always thought that they did, but I guess that I need to find out for sure. I know that with Deidre's IEP she would work seperately with teachers for some subjects. I will contact my friend Jeanne at our Epilepsy Foundation tomorrow and find out if our schools have these classes. There's so much to learn that I never knew raising Tina.
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:23 PM
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Yes that is how Rebecca's classes were. She needed extra help in Language Arts and Speech. So she was pulled out (supposedly) during the time that the class was doing those subjects. I always hated it though when she would have to miss a fun lesson that wasn't even related.

She could take tests in the Resource classroom. Which is how I expect it to be for her in the HS when she has her IEP. She exited in 6th grade due to the fact that we decided to have her do an independent home study. This was with an accredited school called Laurel Springs. A lot of skaters and actors use this school. I has a great reputation. I was told she would still qualify for the Resource Specialist, but she needs to be tested once again.
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Hello! I'm a special ed. teacher, so feel free to ask any questions. Let me just give you some basic info.

First, an IEP is an Individualized Education Plan.

Generally, to qualify for an IEP, a student must show a 23 point discrepency (difference) between their IQ score and their performance level.

However, there are times when a student qualifies for an IEP, but does NOT have the discrepency normally needed. Those students are usually labeled OHI or Other Health Impaired. I've worked with students that had OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) that had IEP's. Also, we have several students at our school who have IEP's that are in regular ed. classes. They have IEP's because they are wheelchair bound, have OCD, are blind, etc. All of these would enable them to qualify under OHI (Other Health Impaired). Your granddaughter will need to undergo IQ testing and assessment testing. Also, if you can give a copy to the school psychologist of any testing done by the neurologist psych, and a letter stating that she needs an IEP, that should get her the services that she needs. In the district I work in, we have all different levels of service. There are seperate classes for the Severe Handicap students. There, they deal with the basic skills learned up to the 3rd grade. The students labeled SH generally have an IQ of 55. The average child has an IQ of 100. As you can see, a big gap. Then there is the SDC program. These classes are also seperate, but work on grade level curriculum (or are supposed to) but at a slower or more simplified rate, and with lots of modifications. Then there are students who are RSP (Resource). They may only go to an RSP class for the one or two areas that they need extra help in, and the rest of their classes are Regular Ed.

Special Ed. used to be a dumping ground for kids that just didn't perform as well as the rest of the class, or who were behavior issues. That's changing. So you should really ask the person in charge of the 504 plan what the different types of service look like in your granddaughters school. Due to confidentiality issues, they may not let you necessarily visit the classes, but they should be able to describe the continuum of service. Also, just because a kid gets put in special ed does NOT mean they are there forever. I've had several students that actually were transitioned back into regular ed. It all depends on the amount of support that comes from home, as well as how hard the student works.

IEP's can provide a child with more services then a standard 504 plan. For example, a one on one aide or laptops that go from home to school can all be provided via IEP. Also, a child that has beahvior issues can get a Behavior Support Plan. This can protect them when it comes to school disciplinary procedures. It all depends on how it's written. If your child gets a BSP, read it carefully. Find out exactly when a Manifestation Determination (pre expulsion) meeting must be held, and understand that time in ISS (In School Suspension) counts towards that day limit. Where I teach, 20 days and then the student gets expelled. That would not be an issue, except that the school gives out 5 day suspensions as a minimum. So find out what the usual suspension amount is for things that your child might do, if she has a BSP. And again, if you have any questions, feel free to ask. The special ed. paperwork can be intimidating.

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Thank you so much for all the information. The neuropsychologist is sending his recommendations to the school. We're just waiting for the report to be typed up and sent. He did tell us that he would be recommending an IEP, so am I right in thinking that his recommendation will qualify her?
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Another Alternative if that move doesn't work.


Well if you don't like the School's
response you can always move up
to the School Board Administration
Special Education Department and
appeal to it. I just checked this
part out for you, as I have a former
Special Ed Teacher that still is
teaching and that was what she
stated.

BUT she did imply if you have "legal
guardianship, legal rights to the child"
you have the authorization to speak
and act on behalf of the child if the
parents have permitted and allowed
the grandparents or close kinsfolks
to also be involved in the child's life
otherwise, you wouldn't have any
part or say-so or involvement at all
and it would solely fall upon the
parent's shoulders entirely.
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Old 02-21-2008, 04:54 PM
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We have adopted Nicole and her biological father's rights were terminated because he never had any contact with her at all. I am going to do alot of reading this weekend and taking notes from the 2 books I have written by the Wright's. Thank you for your help.
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Well, it depends. The neuropsych's recommendation should qualify her under OHI. However, it all depends on her and the school. Some schools are quick to place kids in special ed. Others are hesitant to place kids. The key is showing that the OHI is effecting her learning. You said that your granddaughter is a semester behind her classmates. She also has a 504 plan in place. You may see the school try to just right a stronger 504 plan. So be ready.
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We do not have a 504 plan. I'm going to research the 504 as I am confused as to what it is, compared to an IEP.
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Oh! My mistake. A 504 plan is similar to an IEP, only it's for kids that stay in regular ed. classes who just need a little extra help. So basically, they usually get written for kids that don't qualify for IEP's but who might need a little extra help. However, your granddaughter has a neuropsychologist recommending an IEP, so it shouldn't really be an issue.
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When my daughter, Deidre, had an IEP she stayed in regular ed. classes. We just modified things for her and she did have extra help in the classroom. So far the school has been giving her extra help. She goes with a seperate teacher for reading as she is 5 months behind. We have had so many issues with everything that has been going on with her. We had horrible behavior problems in school until we started reducing her Lamictal. Now that her behavior is wonderful, her academics are coming up slowly. I think that because her behavior was interfering with her learning, it put her further back. I have seen progress in her schoolwork, but we still have a ways to go. I get so frustrated because I just want to find out what exactly is going on with her and fix it.
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The difference between IEP and a 504, is that if your child needs access to the curriculum, but they can learn from the regular education curriculum, the 504 is appropriate.

An IEP says your child needs a "special education program" a program that is fundamentally different from the way other children are learning.

Both can technically provide specialized instruction, but because no federal funding accompanies a 504, in practice schools use a 504 only for accommodations, modifications, (not for specialized instruction, related services, etc.). If child needs those, then it's an IEP. Either one should encompass all of the child's needs.

Any child covered under IDEA (has an IEP) is automatically under the Section 504 laws (but the opposite is not true).

IDEA (child with a IEP) offers more rights and protections than 504.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Special-E...P-504-Plan.htm
http://www.concordspedpac.org/Section504.html

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Robin's right. IEP's are used to provide services like OT (Occupational Therapy), Speech, technology services, etc. So whereas your granddaughter might only qualify for a 504 plan, if you want her to have the OT, she'll need an IEP.
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Also with a 504 you can ask for more time on tests, work written down, that she sit in a certain spot in the class room, if she has allergies that she not be served those during a party, that she be allowed to take a book home that normally would stay in the classroom, that her teacher check her HW sheet each day to see that it is written down correctly. Of course you can always ask the teacher to do these things without the 504 in place, but it doesn't always happen. So with the added protection of the 504 they are required to comply.
There are a lot of special accommodations that can be offered on a 504. But lets say they are a visual learner and not an auditory learner. That is difficult in the typical classroom environment, so perhaps Math is done in a special room where there are manipulative that help her to learn that subject. It is not always one on one teaching, but if the RSP teachers are exceptional it can be a great help to your daughters/ granddaughters individual needs. In the special ed classroom environment, there are more severe children, but they usually have aides that work along side the teacher, so again there is help when they see a child is slipping behind. In a regular classroom even with 20-1 enrollment, it is difficult for the teacher to take time with those that either excel, or the ones that fall behind.
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My son Alex is in a behavior (ebd)classroom. Some are far ahead and some ahead and like Alex a little behind. I did all my tests through the Doc because it was way more acurate. he is slipping in math but in reading he is excelling.Behavior, well....... he knows why he is in there. 2 teacher and 6 students.I volunteer in there when he can handle me. i have changed schools , teachers, whatever to get what Alex needed. What about middle school?????????????????????????????????
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