Flu Shots

[Inaara]

I used to have to get the flu shot in the Army, and every year I got the flu at least once. Since I got out, I have refused the shot every year and have only had the flu twice. Both times I have treated it with vitamin C, echinacea, goldenseal (plus yogurt because goldenseal can actually clear your body of the good bacteria and stuff as well), and a little increase of my normal dose of D3. The first time, I waited too long and it took about 4 days to get rid of it. THis year, I started as soon as I felt the symptoms in their most minor forms - I had the ful for literally a day and a half.

My docs are big pushers of the flu shot, but they can keep it - I'll stick with the stuff found in nature because it works far better, far faster, and it doesn't make me so sick I'd have to die to feel better.

[Ruth]

Both times I have treated it with vitamin C, echinacea, goldenseal (plus yogurt because goldenseal can actually clear your body of the good bacteria and stuff as well), and a little increase of my normal dose of D3. The first time, I waited too long and it took about 4 days to get rid of it.

Echinacea is great for any type of illness. I had problems with goldenseal but I did not know that I was suppose to take yogurt, as well. Thank you for the information.

I had the flu shot, H1N1 and the regular flu shot. I did not get the flu this year.

Teresa, I hope you are well now.

[Inaara]

Echinacea is great for any type of illness. I had problems with goldenseal but I did not know that I was suppose to take yogurt, as well. Thank you for the information.

Oh yeah - definitely. But make sure the yogurt is the kind with active cultures so that it puts bacteria back in your gut (which goldenseal takes out). Also do not take goldenseal for more than 7 days - it's meant for short-term use (I rarely take it for more than 4 days, and only when sick). If you take it for longer and don't take yogurt with it, you'll throw your body all out of whack and can get a kind of infection that is an uncomfortable nuisance for women and a horrific experience for men.

[Ruth]

Hi, Inaara,

I love yogurt!! I have it for dessert almost every night.

[Paul66]

great poll question,
absolutely, unequivocally, with out a doubt, NO!!!

People can debate flu shots to people without a seizure disorder, but it's hard to debate with people who do have seizure disorders. Guillain-Barré Syndrome coupled with a myriad of poisons that attack the nervous system makes for bad bad medicine.

[Ruth]

People can debate flu shots to people without a seizure disorder, but it's hard to debate with people who do have seizure disorders. Guillain-Barré Syndrome coupled with a myriad of poisons that attack the nervous system makes for bad bad medicine.

People can and have gotten Guillain-Barre Syndrome who have no history of nervous disorders with the flu. You are right about the poisons that attack the nervous system. What about the poisons that the flu gives you?

I get status attacks with a severe case of the flu. I do not from the flu shot.

Now, in California, we are having a severe case of whooping cough, Pertussin. Some people have died from it. Children of school age are required to get the shot who enter school. I cannot get a booster shot. If I get it, I will go into status seizures.

[Paul66]

flu= Ibuprofin

[Endless]

Theresa,

I'm so sorry you broke your nose and bruised yourself up. That is terrible! I guess you can't say, "...and you should see the other guy."

How are you feeling today?

There is a really nasty flu going around. I have it right now. Or maybe you have food poisoning?

Is your son sick?

Take care of youself and get well. <<<hugs>>>

[RobinN]

Thankfully Theresa's post was a year ago. I certainly hope she does not have a repeat this year.

[Literophile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPjDHM5OF_A

Check this out--A runner got the flu shot one year and now has serious dystonia and epilepsy

[Ruth]

flu= Ibuprofin

Whooping cough=usually death or severely ill, if no other health problems.

Paul I would like your answer:

whooping cough= ?

Endless, thank you for being so considerate of Theresa. You only cared about her, I would not have noticed the date either.

Literophile thank you very much for that sad story. I would not wish it on anyone. She did not get epilepsy. You can get seizures from very many causes besides epilepsy.

[Endless]

Laughing.... I wouldn't have placed the date even if it was last week! I've got some kind of thing these days about being really mixed up about time.

On the flu shot issue; I'm down with the flu right now. I know it is because flu shots only last about 4 months, and I got mine in November. So it's worn off. If another shot would have saved me from being sick I would have gotten it. But it didn't even occur to me.

I've had whooping cough, and it felt like I was going to break a rib I was coughing so hard. It was extremely painful, and I was really weak. It took about 2 months to completely shake it. It's one of the sickest I've ever been. I had a booster vaccine about 6 months before that, too. I suppose I would have been even sicker if I hadn't have gotten it.

Sometimes I worry about the thermisol in the vaccines. I'd be thinking even harder about it for children's vaccines. But, there's no valid research data that says vaccines cause harm of any kind, and its been researched to death. They just had a big story on 60 minutes how the doctor who did research that found a link between autism and vaccines had faked his results. Just like it is for everything else, I think there may be a small percentage of people that vaccines do hurt, but they are the vast minority - not enough to be statistically significant. The risk of the diseases themselves is much bigger. But that doesn't mean much to the ones who out to be one of the few that are damaged by vaccines. I am selective about which ones I get. I skip the really optional ones.

Just for myself, I concentrate on the things that are the biggest threat to me, which are making sure I take my anti-seizure meds on time, and I lead a thoughtful life, like no fire throwing or knife swallowing in the kitchen. lol.

[Ruth]

Endless, I am sorry that you got whooping cough. If you had not had the booster shot, you might not be here.

Thank you for everything you said:

[RobinN]

Or perhaps the booster is what gave you the whooping cough in the first place.
I have to disagree that there is no valid research on the subject. Dr Wakefield has been smeared by Big Pharma and Govt. Depts that have many of these folks sitting on their committees.

Here is a thread that has quite a lot of reliable information on the subject:
Vaccine related seizures

[RobinN]

The bacterium that causes whooping cough is mutating to develop resistance to the vaccine used to immunize Dutch schoolchildren against the disease.

It seems like the bacterium is changing part of its coat, thereby disguising itself. In recent years whooping cough has been making something of a comeback in the Netherlands, the United States and elsewhere. Comparing old and new strains of the Bordetella pertussis bacterium under the microscope, investigators found that, over time, at least two proteins located on the outside of the bacterium have been changed.

Since vaccines work by "priming" the human immune system to recognize (and attack) such proteins, these changes could explain why the pertussis vaccine now provides Dutch children with weaker protection against whooping cough than it did in years past.

This theory was supported by further studies in mice. After administering the vaccine to a group of mice, the researchers infected them with either an older or present-day version of the whooping cough bacterium. The result? More mice infected with current strains of pertussis showed signs of illness than those infected with strains dominant in years past.

Annual meeting of the American Society for Microbiology Orlando, FA May 22, 2000

Probably the largest valid criticism of the current vaccines, which no one with a shred of logic could argue effectively against, is that vaccines have never received adequate safety testing.
~Dr. Joseph Mercola

[RobinN]

Since 1960 there has been a sharp increase in both the frequency and the severity of asthma in many developed nations. In the US, asthma accounts for one percent of children's deaths -- equal to infections -- and is a leading cause of childhood disability.

A growing body of medical research supports the commonsense idea that children who experience frequent infections and inflammations in early childhood will strengthen their immune systems and will be less prone to allergies and asthma than children who rarely experience such infections.

***

Our present effort to eradicate acute infectious diseases in children through increasing numbers of vaccines has already long overshot the healthy balance point, and is now helping to create in developed nations more chronic disease and disability in children then ever before.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-diseases.aspx

[Endless]

The pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine in shot form is not a live vaccine. It's acellular, which makes it impossible to get pertussis from the vaccine. So I know that's not where I got the whooping cough.

The nasal spray is attenuated (live cells, that have been seriously weakened). It's usually not the one that they use. If the nasal spray is recommended by a doctor, a parent always has the choice of waiting a few months and getting the shot for their baby instead.

Some shots I think kids and adults need to get. Some I think are extraneous and kids don't need to get them. We can pick and choose, as long as we're sure to get ones that schools require for enrollment.

The debate about vaccines will be going on for a long time, i think. Personally, I'm really grateful for vaccines. They made it possible for me to wade through filthy flood water in a third world country and not contract typhoid fever, Encephalitis, hepatitis A/B, or rabies. The local people weren't so lucky. Many were sick and dying.

My immune system was on it's own against Cholera and Leptospirosis. (wasn't vaccinated against those) I didn't catch those, either, because I was antibiotics during pretty much my whole stay. It also helped to be very careful not to rub my face with wet hands or sleeves, etc, not drink water unless it came from a sealed bottle, and only eat powerbars or MRE's until food preparation could be done in q clean/safe way.

I look at the health of people in the U.S., and the health of people in third world countries and compare them. The two most important building blocks that we have and they don't are vaccines, and clean drinking water.

[stilldancing_98]

My son and I will get the flu shot again this year. Because if I get the flu I'm done for.

[Junebug]

informed consent? If you think you or your children HAVE to get vaccinated to hold a job or go to school you are wrong. All 50 states have legislation already regulated so that you cannot be forced to be vaccinated. Some are more strict than others but nobody can force you to get vaccinated or even get a flu shot if you are a health care worker.


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[stilldancing_98]

No, I just know how the flu affects us. It makes me have get really sick and I almost died once from the flu. And my son has lots of seizures when he gets a fever. Its rare for either one of us to get one. But for us it is good. For you it may not be.