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What I've Learned from E-Patients

by Dan Hoch*, Tom Ferguson

Dan Hoch is an assistant professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America. Tom Ferguson is a senior research fellow at the Pew Internet and American Life Project, Austin, Texas, United States of America.

Competing Interests: DH is a secretary for and TF is a director of the nonprofit organization BrainTalk Communities.

Published: August 9, 2005

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As a neurologist subspecializing in epilepsy at a respected academic institution, I (DH) assumed that I knew everything I needed to know about epilepsy and patients with epilepsy. I was wrong.

In September of 1994, John Lester, my colleague in the Department of Neurology at Massachusetts General Hospital, showed me an online bulletin board for neurology patients that he had created [1]. In reading through the online messages, I observed hundreds of patients with neurological diseases sharing their experiences and discussing their problems with one another.

I knew that many patients with chronic diseases had been making use of online medical information [2]. Nonetheless, I was shocked, fascinated, and more than a bit confused by what I saw. I'd been trained in the old medical school style: my instructors had insisted that patients could not be trusted to understand or manage complex medical matters. Thinking back through my years of training and practice, I realized that there had always been an unspoken prohibition against groups of patients getting together. I had the uncomfortable sense that by promoting interactions between patients and de-emphasizing the central role of the physician, I might be violating some deep taboo.

Remarkably Complex Stories

My initial doubts notwithstanding, I found dozens of well-informed, medically competent patients sharing information on a variety of topics. I was especially struck by the many stories recounting the development of a particular patient's illness, the patient's efforts to manage it, and the resulting interactions with health professionals. By telling their stories in such elaborate detail, experienced group members could offer a great deal of useful advice and guidance to those newly diagnosed, based on what they had learned in their own online research, what they had been told by their clinicians, and what they had deduced from personal experiences with the disease.

These “patient stories” often included a number of empowering elements that set them apart from the advice patients typically receive from their clinicians: role modeling by an active, critical, well-informed “expert patient” [1], comparative reviews and recommendations of clinicians and treatment facilities [2–5], and advice about how to handle the practical details of living with a chronic illness [6] (such as how to organize a home medical record, manage treatment side effects, find the best drug prices, and deal with less-than-perfect health professionals and health-care provider systems, and a wide variety of other topics relating to effective medical self-management). These extended patient narratives—no two alike—thus gave rise to an accumulated body of what my colleagues and I began to think of as an expert patient knowledge base. We concluded that these patient narratives could be invaluable resources for clinicians and researchers, interested in taking an in-depth look at the changing roles of patients and clinicians in the Internet age.

The constant outpouring of sympathy and support that we observed in interactions among community members surpassed anything a patient might conceivably expect to receive at a doctor's office. As Richard Rockefeller, President of the Health Commons Institute, has suggested, disease-specific online patient networks provide their members with an invaluable type of around-the-clock support that he has called the “chicken soup of the Internet” [7].

Working with several colleagues, I initiated an observational study to analyze the ways in which E-patients were using this new medium. ...

What we found surprised us. We assumed that most interactions would be support related, with some members describing their medical experiences and others offering active listening, sympathy, and understanding. But while such interactions were an important part of the group process, they were observed in only about 30% of the postings. In the remaining 70% of the postings, group members provided each other with what amounted to a crash course in their shared disease, discussing topics such as the anatomy, physiology, and natural history of the disorder; treatment options and management guidelines for each form of treatment; and treatment side effects, medical self-management, the day-to-day practicalities of living with the disease, and the effects of their condition on family and friends (Table 1).

A Source of Information

Much of the information that the group provided to members was similar to what I routinely provided to my own clinic patients. So I was surprised to learn that many of the clinicians caring for group members provided considerably less information, guidance, and support. And some, apparently, provided none at all. Statements such as “My provider is too busy,” “My provider doesn't care,” or “My provider doesn't seem to know about such-and-such” were alarmingly common. About 10% of the members' posts spontaneously mentioned that they had been unable to get the medical information that they needed from their own clinicians. When we surveyed members directly, more than 30% said that they had been unable to obtain all the medical information they would have liked from their physicians (Table 2). This was a primary reason for many members' participation in the group.

Some other types of information, especially practical tips for living with epilepsy and the social aspects of the disease, went far beyond what I had been providing for my own patients. I am a board-certified epilepsy specialist at one of the most highly respected medical centers in the United States, yet I learned a great deal about these topics from the support group. I now share many of the things I learned from group members with my clinic patients.


Table 1. BrainTalk Communities Online Epilepsy Support Group: Types of Questions Asked by Users

The BrainTalk Communities epilepsy support group that we observed was facilitated by volunteer patient moderators, with little or no professional input. About 6% of the postings contained information that some of our medical reviewers considered at least partly mistaken, misinterpreted, outdated, or incomplete. We observed that other group members frequently corrected such misinformation. And group participants appeared to understand that they should not take uncorroborated statements as hard facts. They seemed well aware that some postings were erroneous, and in fact seemed to substantially overestimate the incidence of questionable materials.

We observed no serious problems as a result of these questionable postings, and saw many reports by patients who had obtained better care, prevented medical mistakes, or averted serious injury because of the information and advice they received from fellow group members. We concluded that, as Ferguson and Frydman have suggested, many professionals have seriously overestimated the risks and underestimated the benefits of online support groups and other online health resources for patients, probably because they do not operate within our familiar professionally centered constructs [9].

What I've Learned

In retrospect, the most important thing I (DH) have learned from our online group was that patients want to know about, and in most cases are perfectly capable of understanding and dealing with, everything their physician knows about their disease and its treatments. After observing the group, I realized that I had been providing my patients with a very limited subset of what I knew about their condition. Today, there is nothing that I know about epilepsy that I would hesitate to share with a patient. For example, I now offer my patients an open and frank discussion of the very rare sudden unexpected death in epilepsy syndrome. I had previously not mentioned this rare but alarming complication, fearing that some patients might become overly concerned with it. But once I discovered that BrainTalk Communities group members discussed this topic quite openly and freely online, reviewing the scientific data in a sophisticated way, I began to share my knowledge on this topic with my clinic patients. My newfound frankness has been much appreciated. And none of my patients have become unduly troubled by these discussions.

I have also learned that an online group like the BrainTalk Communities epilepsy group is not only much smarter than any single patient, but is also smarter, or at least more comprehensive, than many physicians—even many medical specialists. While some postings do contain erroneous material, online groups of patients who share an illness engage in a continuous process of self-correction, challenging questionable statements and addressing misperceptions as they occur. And while no single resource, including physicians, should be considered the last word in medical knowledge, the consensus opinion arrived at by patient groups is usually quite excellent. And if more expert clinicians offered to consult informally with the online support groups devoted to their medical specialties—as I now do—we could help group members make information and opinion shared in these groups even better.

I had been taught to believe that patients could only be “empowered” by their clinicians. And while I do believe that clinicians can help in this regard by sharing their knowledge openly and by encouraging patient self-reliance, it now seems quite clear that growing numbers of patients are perfectly capable of empowering themselves, with or without their clinician's blessing. Physicians and other health professionals should do all they can to support them in this worthy effort.


Table 2. BrainTalk Communities Epilepsy Support Group: Responses to a Survey of Users

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Conclusions

Clinicians have overestimated the downsides, while seriously underestimating the benefits, of condition-specific online patient support communities. These free online resources now provide invaluable services 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for patients across the country and around the world. It would be unfortunate indeed if medical professionals let their uneasiness at this emerging trend toward patient empowerment and autonomy cloud their ability to assess the impressive benefits these groups provide.

Many patients are now ready, willing, and able to take a more active role in their own care, and the care of others with related diseases. By encouraging patients to do more for themselves and for each other, clinicians can help mitigate many of the negative effects of contemporary time-pressured medical practice. Thus, even though there may now be less time for the counseling, storytelling, support, information sharing, and empowerment-based training that was once a routine part of the typical office visit, we can now help our patients obtain such services by referring them to online patient networks.

The distributed expertise of online support groups is by no means limited to the emotional aspects of the illness and to the practical logistics of living with the disorder. It can also include current reviews of the literature, reports from the latest medical meetings, accounts of behind-the-scenes activities at the best treatment centers, sophisticated guidance on dealing with medical professionals, and excellent advice on dealing with complex aspects of medical management.

Finally, I have concluded that few, if any, physicians could have created a system like BrainTalk Communities. As a tech-savvy non-physician intimately familiar with both the inner workings of medical care and the power of information technology systems to create effective online communities, John Lester was less proprietary than most physicians are about medicine's proper professional “turf.” He was also less inhibited by professional biases regarding the potential value of the medical contributions that “unqualified” individuals might make. This is not an isolated occurrence. We suspect that the intensely professionally centered enculturation most physicians receive in their training and practice environments may render them, in the words of John Seely Brown and Paul Draguld, “blinkered if not blind” to the emergence of many promising new technocultural changes, which currently present new opportunities for health-care innovation [10]. Thus, physicians who seek to innovate in these areas might benefit greatly—as I have—from joining forces with Web developers, Net-savvy social scientists, experienced E-patients, and other colleagues unencumbered by the limiting belief systems that may result from our traditional medical training.

In light of their empowering social dynamics and volunteer economics, we suspect that patient-led online groups may prove to be a considerably more promising and sustainable health-care resource than professionally moderated therapy groups. And we are convinced that networked work teams linking patients, caregivers, and medical professionals will be an important model for future health-care innovation.

Citation: Hoch D, Ferguson T (2005) What I've Learned from E-Patients. PLoS Med 2(8): e206
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That was an excellent read, thanks for posting it Donna!

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I have also learned that an online group like the BrainTalk Communities epilepsy group is not only much smarter than any single patient, but is also smarter, or at least more comprehensive, than many physicians—even many medical specialists. While some postings do contain erroneous material, online groups of patients who share an illness engage in a continuous process of self-correction, challenging questionable statements and addressing misperceptions as they occur. And while no single resource, including physicians, should be considered the last word in medical knowledge, the consensus opinion arrived at by patient groups is usually quite excellent.
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Why yes Bernad, we have a brain and we can be taught!!

Old school doctors think the less the patient knows, the better off they are. But you and I know that rule only appiles to those who WANT to be left in the dark, and want to rely on someone else for their care.

Old ways are hard to unlearn.

On the same thought, so many people come to boards like these for infromation. They truely want to learn how to deal with this disorder and not feel so all alone!

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John Lester has got the best board out there, You should apply to be part of the web circle.
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A new book by two doctors advise on how to get the best care out of your doctor:

Originally Posted by ABC News :
There's only one person out there who can make sure that you get the best medical treatment. And it's not your doctor, the CEO of your insurance company, or the nurse on call. It's you — if you become a "smart patient," that is.
Doctors Tell You How to Get the Best Treatment

The link contains a four page excerpt from the book.
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i think they know perfectly well that we're capable of understanding more than any single physician together, they just don't want it to happen because 1) there will of course be some erroneous material. morally this is and should be number one but i bet this number 2 is the real number 1.

2) they dont want to lose their jobs to forums like this!


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heh... I stickied this thread.
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Thanks Mr. B. It's stickyed on my site too.
This is an excellent article. Individuals who bash the use of messgae boards could use a little enlightnment, especially those who bash without bothering to read firsthand.
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I'm glad it's sticky-posted. It's one
of the most best articles written that
I've ever came across. And it's still
being circulated; and I wish they would
circulate it more to the Pre-Meds, Med
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thank you for this post. i don't think it reaches far enough. endocrine system, e.g., ovaries, functioning outside the norm and causing seizures... i think some seizure disorders should not be called epilepsy. brain injury vs. problems affecting the brain; it's not the same. i'm not qualified, but i must judge which doctor or surgeon is qualified to 'help'. thank's for the post and for the c-w-e web site.
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I have just printed out this article to take to the neurologist next week.
If you havent' read it I suggest you take a moment. It is very good IMO
I am going to give her a Coping with Epilepsy bag too.
http://www.cafepress.com/copingepilepsy.173840186

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Question My Epileptologists Is fascinated!


Every time I see my doctor in Dallas he tells that I am an amazing patient! He is also assistant professor for the Universty of Texeas of the Southwestern Medical. When I first started seeing these doctors they couldn't believe that I was still alive and walking. Because he said David you shouldn't be albe to talk, have a merory andwalk since I have such awide variety of brain disorders!
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It was pretty good read but dr he made one mistake he said sympathy that word should be empathy
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Well, I can see why you are an assistant professor of neurology at Harvard. When it comes to doctors not fully understanding patients, I think arrogance can be a factor. Sometimes they seem to have tunnel vision, and are not considering all the factors. This seems to be due to many not being able to say that they are wrong, or at least consider they could be.

I think that as technology progresses a lot of these will be diminished. It is impossible for a doctor to fully understand a patient in the amount of time they see them, and with all the patients they see. I personally get anxiety around flourescent lights and my cognitive function reduces, thus making it difficult to truly communicate to my doctors what I am feeling.

There will be healthcare related algorithms for patients to better assess what is going on eventually, if there aren't already (not talking about google- but a more targeted engine) and these types of statistical calculations will probably work as an extension of a doctors brain, increasing their ability to diagnose. For all I know there are some already in development. But it is doctors who realize these faults that make progress. Way to go.
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Great read. Thank you.
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After reading the Doctors 'Tell You How to Get the Best Treatment' article, I'm much impressed with my GP. He has pretty much built up the entire medical history over the past six months I've used him, leaving no work for me to do. He has it all on a tablet, which is linked to my medical aid--all very organised. It's worth saying that he prides himself on being an 'old generation' doctor who practices as he learned to in the 20th century.
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After being to numerous specialist I'm much more impressed with my neurologist.
For some reason he thinks if you've gone to Harvard and he also went to Emory this arrogant doctor. my neurologist use to be a professor at Emory he graduated from John Hopkins and he isn't arrogant.
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BB,
You have just made my opinion of Epilepsy Specialists rise a huge amount! To hear one doctor who is working with several other doctors to 'see for themselves and understand' that this type of site CAN be very useful for others with a similar condition is VERY uplifting! That is because we(members of the site) usually have a very positive outlook toward helping others with our condition.
Normally, I have experienced the exact opposite. I have run into neurologists who seemed to care a lot more about themselves than me. All I ever heard coming from them was how MY having E was 'holding them back from doing what they SHOULD be doing(like golf). I actually had one who told me he had to hurry because he had set a tee-off time earlier than my appointment was supposed to end.
The open outlook that you and you associates have can only make more doctors want to learn these same things. This is great for anyone who has had problems with their doctors. I know that there will always be some doctors who will refuse to alter their way of thinking or doing things. People like this are very well known to people w/E. We see people who refuse to change their negative feeling towards people w/E no matter what facts are shown to them.
The best book that I have ever found that tells things about as 'matter of factly' as you can get is 'Epilepsy 199 Answers' by Andrew Wilmer MD FACP FAAN. This book was written with the help of a person w/E, so it gets into the 'real' facts when it answers a question!

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