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First off, I'd like to know where you read that, the only place vaccine injury is a hot topic is on anti-vax conspiracy sites. Secondly how does the percentage of people with autism having seizures have to do with vaccinations? Autism has been proven not to be caused by vaccines. It was around long before vaccines & it will be around long after. It looks to me like you are just scare mongering.Thanks for asking, Slim, as I've not researched it before and it would take days to cover, but here are a few.
Vaccine injury is probably the hottest topic in medicine today with the autism epidemic where a huge percentage of autistic children are also epileptic; I've read 50% in the worst cases of autism.
If you believe that is not a topic for this forum then why do you insist on bringing it up? Also I notice you make claims about the package insert of the DTaP vaccine but give no link. I find that surprising for someone who loves to post links. Here's the DTaP insert where autism is NOT listed as a side effect. What it does say is:You may not believe vaccination can cause autism and that's not a subject for this forum, but vaccine injury is real and autism is even listed as side effect of the DTaP vaccine in the package insert. Seizure after vaccination is all too common and it's not such a stretch to accept that long-term seizure disorder caused by some vaccines exists.
Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS,
anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence
and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are
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Thank you for acknowledging that these are just your personal beliefs & that there are not studies that prove this. Sometimes the way you make claims with such confidence seem to imply otherwise.I believe the mechanism of childhood vaccine injury is about:
1) damage to flora balance (there are no studies, though the cholera vaccine is known to significantly raise gram-negative bacteria, not a good thing)
2) microbial predisposition leading to vaccine reaction (no studies)
Autism is not known to be gut-driven and there are no valid studies to imply it is. Recently it Autism was shown to have begin in the womb Routine Ultrasounds May Detect Autism in UteroAutism is known to be gut-driven. Isn't it about time the epilepsy industry begin to focus on the gut? Meanwhile, Infantile Spasm experts appear helpless thinking it's all about the brain.
In my opinion you should be very careful about using Keiths posts as information.There's no way they won't be vaccinating there children- anyone who does that is an idiot. But they like to see as much evidence as possible..
CONCLUSIONS: Our results suggest that in most cases, genetic or structural defects are the underlying cause of epilepsy with onset after vaccination, including both cases with preexistent encephalopathy or benign epilepsy with good outcome.
There is no increased risk of postvaccination seizure in infants regardless of timing of vaccination.
It is these sort of tactics that I can't help but see as scaremongering & nothing less. Many people use these tactics but be aware of them when people claim to show you "proof"She exhibited myoclonic jerks early in life, but these disappeared with age.
And I don't appreciate being labeled a "crazy conspiracy theorist" in the least.
Keith, you're posting a Lawyers site as proof of something. Not only does that not show proof because people sue for money & when money is at stake then facts tend to be secondary but also, so far the criminal courts have not found any validity in the anti-vaccination claims.My view is that people may be born compromised, Shelley, where vaccines may add insult to injury. And some people are simply naturally predisposed to vaccine injury such as African American boys as recently admitted by a CDC Senior Scientist:
http://www.morganverkamp.com/august...-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
If you'd had the courtesy to read my full post you'd have seen that I posted the link & explained why your claim has no validity. All you have t odo is read the insert all the way through.Eric, here's the DTaP label where autism is listed as side effect (adverse event, whatever):
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm101580.pdf
This was never shown to be the case by any valid scientist. You do claim this to be your belief & I guess you have a right to that, regardless how unproven or unlikely it is. I don't think you should be stating your opinion as fact when there is nothing to back it up though.And I completely agree autism begins in the womb as that's what microbial predisposition is all about where microbes are passed from mother to fetus. I even believe fetal brain development is dependent on flora balance. The fetal brain triples in weight in the third trimester while the mother's microbiome shifts toward a diabetic state. There are many other types of environmental insults to the fetal brain such as toxic pollution which also shifts flora.
Keith, you're saying that because someone posted something on Youtube that it counts as "plenty of evidence"? That is a very, very low standard for evidence. Even the youtube account says that it's all parents & their anecdotal perceptions. No doctors, no scientists nobody with any training in biology. I think we should be very careful as to whose advice we take and what we can consider proof. There are many conspiracy theorists out there who post online, especially places like youtube, all who define "proof" very similarly.There's plenty of evidence vaccines can and do cause autism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsLuR3X6cpg&list=PLJpPObXpZncOfT0bG2ghgkVb2Nxjd_bNe
Maybe some people in the autism community are focused on the gut-brain connection but not many at all. The autism parents I'm familiar with tend to laugh at those claims and do their best to protect their children from such misinformed people, usually referring to them as quacks.People in the autism community are highly focused on the gut-brain while the epilepsy community is all brain and no guts.
Please show me any viable study that shows your theory works on any type of epilepsy. Also, I've never seen you claim it works on just certain types, you always claim it works on "epilepsy". Maybe you should be more specific when talkingThere's more than one kind of epilepsy, Slim. What I've been addressing is a very large percentage of epileptics, perhaps over 50%, where seizures begin from out of nowhere and doctors focus on the brain without looking at the larger gut-brain picture. Their only treatment is a cocktail of anticonvulsant drug therapy which doesn't work much of the time. Or doctors might try the ketogenic diet which they believe is about ketones and the brain in disregard of flora shift as mechanism of success. Perhaps if some focus were on the gut, i.e., to balance blood sugar where hypoglycemic reactions result in seizure activity, brain damage such as lesions of gut origin would be averted and even healed due to brain plasticity.
How do you differentiate between injuries, physical differences and metabolic differences? Never mind that a metabolic difference is a physical difference but metabolic issues have not been associated with epilepsy. Sadly this just shows how much more proper research & learning you need to do. I would suggest an introductory biology course at a qualified university or college.What I'm not addressing is epilepsy which has its origins in physical differences and injuries. My focus has always been about metabolic problems related to flora imbalance as cause of seizure. And I don't appreciate being labeled a "crazy conspiracy theorist" in the least.
I just wonder if this particular thread is doing more harm than good. It seems to me Keith that some of the info you post is scary and not necessarily totally proven. As someone who has had dxed epilepsy for 41 years I am worried that those newly dxed or those with friends or children with epilepsy will take some of your info as 'gospel'. While I appreciate your dedication, I can see some misusing or misinterpreting some of your info.
As far as vaccinations, my grandson's pediatrician feels that is his most important task, to make sure all children are vaccinated.
Claiming membership in a group affiliated with audience members: debater claims to be a member of a group that members of the audience are also members of like a religion, ethnic group, veterans group, and so forth; the debater’s hope is that the audience members will let their guard down with regard to facts and logic as a result and that they will give their alleged fellow group member the benefit of any doubt or even my-group-can-do-no-wrong immunity.
In this latest study, scientists continue to blame vaccine-related epilepsy on genetics in disregard of gene-microbe interaction:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/16/us-immunization-epilepsy-idUSKBN0HB2GK20140916
While febrile seizures can be frightening to parents, they usually are brief and cause no harm.
In the days after receiving a vaccine, compared to other times, children are two to five times more likely to have a febrile seizure, according to the authors of the new study.
"When a child has its first seizure shortly after a vaccination, and continues to have seizures thereafter, parents may think the vaccination has caused the epilepsy. However, in our study the majority of children who developed epilepsy after a vaccination, had a genetic or structural cause of the epilepsy," Dr. Nienke Verbeek, a clinical geneticist at University Medical Centre Utrecht in The Netherlands, told Reuters Health.