Federal advisory panel ban on Percocet and Vicodin

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Ban Is Advised on 2 Top Pills for Pain Relief

ADELPHI, Md. — A federal advisory panel voted narrowly on Tuesday to recommend a ban on Percocet and Vicodin, two of the most popular prescription painkillers in the world, because of their effects on the liver.

The two drugs combine a narcotic with acetaminophen, the ingredient found in popular over-the-counter products like Tylenol and Excedrin. High doses of acetaminophen are a leading cause of liver damage, and the panel noted that patients who take Percocet and Vicodin for long periods often need higher and higher doses to achieve the same effect.

Acetaminophen is combined with different narcotics in at least seven other prescription drugs, and all of these combination pills will be banned if the Food and Drug Administration heeds the advice of its experts. Vicodin and its generic equivalents alone are prescribed more than 100 million times a year in the United States.

Laureen Cassidy, a spokeswoman for Abbott Laboratories, which makes Vicodin, said, “The F.D.A. will make a final determination and Abbott will follow the agency’s guidance.”

The agency is not required to follow the recommendations of its advisory panels, but it usually does.

The panel’s 20-17 vote to recommend a ban on the combination drugs was one of 11 it took at a meeting called to advise the F.D.A. on problems arising from the extraordinary popularity of acetaminophen. In 2005, American consumers bought 28 billion doses of products containing the ingredient.

While the medicine is effective in treating headaches and reducing fevers, even recommended doses can cause liver damage in some people. And more than 400 people die and 42,000 are hospitalized every year in the United States from overdoses.

In hopes of reducing some of these accidents, the committee voted 24 to 13 to recommend that the F.D.A. reduce the highest allowed dose of acetaminophen in over-the-counter pills like Tylenol to 325 milligrams, from 500. And members voted 21 to 16 to reduce the maximum daily dosage to less than 4,000 milligrams.

But they voted 20 to 17 against limiting the number of pills allowed in each bottle, with members saying such a limit would probably have little effect and could hurt rural and poor patients. Bottles of 1,000 pills are often sold at discount chains.

“We have no data to show that people who overdose shop at Costco,” said Dr. Edward Covington, a panel member from the Cleveland Clinic Foundation.

Dr. Lewis S. Nelson, a toxicologist from the New York University School of Medicine who served as the panel’s acting chairman, said experts had been warning of the dangers of combination painkillers like Percocet, which is made by Endo Pharmaceuticals, and Vicodin for years.

Still, the recommendation is likely to come as a shock to many patients, who may be unaware of the dangers of high doses of acetaminophen — even if they know the drugs contain the ingredient.

Some doctors already avoid prescribing pills that combine acetaminophen with narcotics like oxycodone (found in Percocet) and hydrocodone (in Vicodin).

“It ties the doctor’s hands when you put the two drugs together,” said Dr. Scott M. Fishman, a professor of anesthesiology at the University of California, Davis, and a former president of the American Academy of Pain Medicine. “There’s no reason you can’t get the same effect by using them separately.”

Dr. Fishman said the combinations were prescribed so often for the sake of convenience, but added, “When you’re using controlled substances, you want to err on the side of safety rather than convenience.”

Still, some doctors predicted that the recommendation would put extra burdens on physicians and patients.

“More people will be suffering from pain,” said Dr. Sean Mackey, chief of pain management at Stanford University Medical School. “More people will be seeing their doctors more frequently and running up health care costs.”

In a statement, Johnson & Johnson, Tylenol’s maker, said it “strongly disagrees” with the proposed restrictions on acetaminophen, adding that they would be likely to “lead to more serious adverse events as consumers shift to other over-the-counter products,” like Advil and aspirin.

Linda A. Suydam, president of the Consumer Healthcare Products Association, said the committee had ignored studies showing that doses sold by her members — two pills of 500 milligrams, up to four times a day — were safe. “I think this is a very effective dose and one needed for individuals who experience chronic pain,” she said.

The committee also turned its attention to over-the-counter children’s medicines containing acetaminophen, voting 36 to 1 to limit them to a single formulation. Right now the liquids are sold in two different concentrations, leading to confusion among doctors and parents.

“I don’t think it’s safe to have two formulations out there,” said Dr. Nelson, the acting chairman.

The members were divided over which formula to recommend, the concentrated or the less concentrated one. F.D.A. officials suggested that they would likely settle on the less concentrated formula so that if parents make a mistake, they would be less likely to overdose.

Acetaminophen is included in a vast array of over-the-counter cough and cold products, including Nyquil, Excedrin and many others. A small share of accidental poisonings result when people take two or more of these combination products without understanding the risk.

The F.D.A. asked the committee whether it should ban combination products that include acetaminophen. The vote was 24 to 13 against such a ban, with many members saying consumers saw the products as valuable.

“Based on the data provided, the combination O.T.C. medications really contributed very little to overall poisonings,” said Dr. Osemwota A. Omoigui, a panel member from the Los Angeles Pain Clinic.

A 2005 study found that most poisonings resulted from patients’ taking Vicodin and similar products that combine a narcotic with acetaminophen.

“I think this is the one place where we can engineer in safety,” said Dr. Judith M. Kramer, a panel member and an associate professor of medicine from Duke University Medical Center who voted to ban the combination prescription medicines. “We’re here because there are inadvertent overdoses that are fatal, and this is our one opportunity to have a big impact.”

Consumers need to be better educated about the risks of popular medicines, most panel members agreed.

“If you keep track of what you’re taking, none of this is an issue for you,” Dr. Jan Engle, a panel member and head of the Department of Pharmacy Practice at the University of Illinois in Chicago, said in an interview after the meeting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/health/01fda.html?_r=1


I'm screwed.
I can't get out of bed without percocet.
 
Awwww, man

What's next? Or do I want to know?

Birdy, I'm sooooo sorry........that REALLY, REALLY, REALLLLY SUCKS BEANS.
 
I'm sorry you are in pain Birdy, it's just not fair with all of this.

I think that one of the two meds should be taken off the market or at least regulate the meds so that they aren't prescribed at the same time.
Pharmacies are able to check online with different pharmacies/hospitals across the nation, if the meds are being prescribed at the same time or within a certain date.
I know that many people will be flat on their backs because of this new ban, including my dad who has suffered from a back injury 27 yrs ago. He uses canes and a motorized scooter every day and can't cope without pain meds.
There are many people who cannot take other pain meds, even short term meds used in hospitals like Morphine because they are allergic, (myself included,) and Vicodin or Percoset is the onlything that helps with the pain. What will everyone do for pain then?
 
A simple solution has always been there. Doctors should / can only prescribe one or the other to the patient. Once prescribed the patient shouldn't be able to get the other at another doctor either. The same thing can be done with over the counter medicines. Most now require a drivers license / state ID to purchase. So that should help prevent people from getting to much of the drugs at a time.

Sure if they want the drugs bad enough, they'll find a way. But that's another problem.
 
Ouch

I was prescribed Vicodin when I sprained my ankle (it was purple). The first dose was the most fantastic experience on earth. After that, I couldn't get enough.
I told my doctor, no more. I did not realize that it had acetominophen, because I was also having to take ibuprophen (pharmacist said it was ok) at the same time for swelling and pain.
I'm glad a weeks worth caused no problems. (knock on wood.)
 
My Dr, would not p. for me when I needed it. When I broke my nose and had really bad body aches. He thought I would get hooked on it. I do message therapy and that helps a lot. And I started swimming again when somebody is with me. My body feels so much better. But I don't know what I will do in the winter when it comes to the swimming. Its an outside pool.
 
Boy, I understand. I have been dealing with different pain problems since my trauma in May 2006. Just started seeing a pain management doc this year and he has really helped me. Perocet has finally given me the ability to have pain free sleep at night. I have been so upset about this news.
If they are having problems with people abusing these drugs, then there are holes in the current system. I think they should fix those problems before taking these important drugs away from people that have to have these drugs just to survive the pain. I know the perocet is deemed a controlled substance is suppose to be tracked by state as far as both patients and doctors.
I told someone that I would blame a lot of this drug witch hunt on Michael Jackson...too much about strong drugs not being monitored.
 
famous people

A lot of famous people abuse prescription drugs.
I also saw a show yesterday where they were trying to say that abuse of prescription drugs that are obtained by people who don't need it is leading to heroin abuse.
FYI, it was an Al Rocker show on MSNBC.
Question, How are people who don't need it getting hold of it? I doubt if there doctors are prescribing it.
Street pusher, peddlers and dealers? More than likely. Are the innocent who truly needing it going to be punished instead of these people? You betcha.
 
This is nuts

What on earth are they thinkin bout restricking certain otc pain killers thats nuts. I thought it common knowledge that most painkillers sold otc had risk of liver damage and what on earth is this gonna do to ppl with pain who cant take asprin cuz everythin else on pain market has asprin in it i cant believe they are even think bout this im load on ibrofen as is for pain i hate to get on prescription meds for pain doing this will effect a lota ppl negitively if they do it
 
Don't too worked up. Their intent isn't to take away painkillers. They just want to seperate the narcotic from the acetomeniphen. I don't understand though why they feel the need to change the limit from 500-325 and the # of pills in a bottle. That doesn't make any sense.

Your dr can prescribe the narcotic without the acetomeniphen, but not as commonly found at pharmacies. All you have to do is buy acetomeniphen and take the narcotic if that best suits you. They're just trying to limit the overdoses of people taking two products that contain acetomeniphen and not realizing they both contain it. I guess for me when I have hurt myself, acetomeniphen does nothing it's the narcotic that actually gives pain relief. The only thing acetomeniphen does is help my headaches.
 
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I'm confused

Mu doctor told me it is ok to take acetaminophen in any dosage. I was also told that it is ok to take Vicodin with ibuprofen to help with swelling. That doesn't make sense.
 
Obviously,

and no disrespect intended here, Shelley, but your doctor needs to brush up on his/her pharmocological studies...........Talk to your pharmacist. Good grief. *eyeroll*:paperbag:
 
Well, it seems that the "ban" isn't going to be
in implication. Count everyone confused as ever.

:huh:
 
Not only doctor

and no disrespect intended here, Shelley, but your doctor needs to brush up on his/her pharmocological studies...........Talk to your pharmacist. Good grief. *eyeroll*:paperbag:

She is not the only doctor (actually, she is a young replacement doctor while my doctor was on vacation), but I had a specialist tell me that Celebrex is safe. Guess they listened to big pharma over facts.
 
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