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Hello,

My son, 20, has recently been diagnosed with epilepsy. He had his first official seizure in March, and then two in April. He is a college student and seriously sleep deprived (works night shift on security sometimes--this means he gets interrupted sleep). He is in college in SC.

I am an American living in Poland, so I've felt frustrated. We recently went back to the states for a month where I discovered this forum which has been wonderful, BTW.

My son has been put on Keppra for the seizures. His seizures have only come in the night, while he is sleeping, and seem to be related to his sleep cycle (he wonders if it is related to REM disorder?). The Keppra is doing terrible things to his memory and in one class, where he had a 98% average, his last two tests were 50% and then a C (not sure the percentage). He squeaked out with an A-, since he started out so high. He hates the effects of the drug on his system as he said it is making it almost impossible to memorize anything!

He has 500 mg (Keppra), and the doctor told him to take 2 a day. He only took one a day until he had another seizure. Then, he started taking two a day--one am, one pm.

The medicine hasn't completely stopped the seizures (grand mal type) that I began to wonder if there is something we can begin to look for that might help him --some natural method of control. All of his tests have come back completely normal--his sleep deprived test and his MRI, etc. Everything.

So, I've begun to read here. I'm not completely through Robin's daughter's story, Rebecca, yet, but am eagerly reading it. I've learned so much already. Because my learning curve is so great, I've not read more than an hour at time since things can be frustrating when you don't know what things are (abbreviations, types of seizures, etc.) I bought a couple books by a Dr. named Devinsky, since I've known so little about the problem called epilepsy.

So far the doctors haven't been able to help him at all. All we have to show is at least $7000 in hospital bills for the three times they've taken him to the ER. We don't have this kind of money nor does he (we happen to be missionaries and are running a charitable organization--but it isn't a "big money" operation). So, we can't live with ER bills piling up (his insurance only covers up to $1500 per er visit and one of those alone was 5000 for the hospital and $800 for the ambulance.)

My point is--we must find a better solution. The medicine didn't completely stop his seizures and he even had one when he wasn't sleep deprived at all (after school was out). So, if the medicine isn't helping him get rid of the seizures, he is willing to try to find something else because the side effects of the medicine are completely undesirable.

He is working at a camp this summer as a counselor. He will not be sleeping in the same room as the guys he is counseling (someone else will do that every night for him) but hopes to have a good summer. He got his Keppra filled and using a generic was $85. That was a big shock for him since he had to pay for it completely out of pocket. He is weaning himself off it and is down to 1/2 of a pill once a day now.

I thought I'd work on getting him some magnesium, since I've been reading that possibly that is something that might help. He's not had a whole lot of seizures, so it is difficult to see a pattern...he had three last week in a row--Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, but nothing since. Before that, he had maybe had a total of 5.

He did take a big fall on an ice skating rink last summer, and that may be the trigger that has lowered his ability to withstand sleep deprivation, etc. On the other hand, the neurologists can find nothing wrong, and so...

I read on here that often finding the right medicine is a matter of trying different things until you find the one that works for you. Since I care more about my son than any doctor ever will, I figured that I'd at least read about it. He has almost no access to the internet this summer (he gets to use a computer about once a week for an hour), but he can call us on Sundays and Monday mornings, so I can tell him what I've learned then.

Because he is so far away, I've felt not a little frustrated. I'm sure most of you have felt that way even if you are close by!

I'll continue to read here and learn. I have much to learn.
 
Welcome

20 yrs old at onset... consider some very natural causes. Nutrition being number one.
My daughters tonic clonic seizures are considerably reduced in number since being off all medication and focusing on nutrition.

A teen, in college, away from family... I doubt has any clue how nutrition plays a role in neurological health. He is soon to find out I hope. Alcohol, blood sugar, poor diet...

Dr Russell Blaylock says that many nocturnal seizures are caused by hypoglycemia and it is misdiagnosed by doctors. (and I am not suggesting these are related to alcohol intake, but it is a fact that blood sugar levels are a major contributing factor)
 
Thanks, Robin. I'm taking any suggestions. One thing...he doesn't drink alcohol at all, but I'm exploring the nutrition angle.

He does get more carbs than I've read is good for a person with epilepsy and will consider suggesting one of the special diets to him as in this thread.

We are all open to suggestions/things to try. He doesn't have a "neurologist" other than the one he saw for the tests in SC, and my son is in NC this summer.

I've read about all the vitamins that you are giving your daughter. I was taking notes and then got kind of overwhelmed with all the possibilities.
 
Justflyingin,

Alternative methods are worth pursuing. In the meantime, most universities have a low-cost health insurance plan for students. In fact for most schools, students must enroll in the insurance plan. Does your son belong to an insurance plan like this? If so it will help pay the hospital bills.

I'm keeping positive thoughts in my mind for your son.
 
Thanks for the positive thoughts.

The insurance plan he has is the low cost one through the university. It is just that they only cover $1500 per incident and he has had three when they took him to the ER. The first one was most expensive because they did all sorts of tests. Then they sent him home. The first one was $5K just for the hospital. EEEK.

The other two visits seems like they were a lot less. But the bills are being sent one place, and the insurance company is paying some, etc.
Maybe we just haven't gotten all the bills. yet. :)

We just arrived back in Poland on Thurs. night. I had a party of sorts on Friday night and that left yesterday when I had a conference to attend (and unpacking 8 bags). But, I've got a stack of his bills and will probably call the various places and find out the total that he owes and try to explain the situation to them. He wrote a couple of them a letter explaining who he is and asking if they would be willing to dismiss some or all of the charges. We'll see what happens. :) I paid a couple of the smaller ones ($100-$200) but unfortunately I can't write a check for the $3500 one, etc.

I got to talk with him this evening (our time), and thankfully he hasn't had anything happen since Tues. am. After reading here, I had warned him that he might have more seizures when he lowers his medicine level...that happened, but we'll see what happens in the future. I'm trying to ask the questions of him that I've found listed here to try to find a trigger or pattern.

Also, I printed out a "first aid" guide for people around him. When I heard that they weren't doing anything for him at the hospital except watching/monitoring him, I began to think hmmmm....

(The first time, they did do a lot of tests...but the other two times, no.) They just watched him and released him.
 
However, I wanted to add that this website is a veritable gold mine of information!

I'm trying to wade through it. There are many, many interesting topics/threads that I've not gotten to yet. Some of them send me on to another article, etc.

I think my family thinks I'm semi nuts about how much I've started to read about the topic.....(but I'm convinced if they were in the same situation, they'd do the same, and they are glad I'm doing it as they all want to see Tim live as normal of a life as possible--that is, grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc..).
 
Hi Justflyingin,

Sorry to hear about your son and I'm happy you found this site. I know I was delighted to find it as well! My situation is a little similar to your sons. I had my first T/C at 27 yrs. but was having petite seizure for a couple years prior but didn't know what they were. At 35 yrs. I opted to have the RTL surgery and now today I have Complex Partials...only in my sleep and for me it does have to do with the transition of getting in and out of REM. I was put back on Keppra back in May 09' (after 4 yrs. of being seizure free from surgery) and I opted to stop meds and try the Gluten Free diet (as well as knock out nuts out of my diet) and I'm having success. However, I DO NOT RECOMMEND going off meds. I also take Magnesium "CALM" prior to bed time and I listen to the CD "Delta Sleep System" as it is geared to assist in sleep and helps me transition through the REM phases. I understand your son is sleep deprived and this in and of itself is a seizure trigger. For those with seizures sleep is CRUCIAL. Your son should also be taking vitamins and I know Robin is here talking to you about nutritional changes which is great since she has plenty to share and I've learned from her myself. In the meantime there are other medications out there besides Keppra. For me, Keppra was the worst and he could discuss with his doctor about perhaps trying a different medication. As you've read meds affect everyone differently but maybe another medication may not cause him so many problems. Some do well on Keppra while others don't, but unfortunately it's trial and error. Good luck!
 
Thanks for the advice. I've been reading your story as well! It is very encouraging to know that some people are having at least limited success using diet.
 
Thanks, Robin. I'm taking any suggestions. One thing...he doesn't drink alcohol at all, but I'm exploring the nutrition angle.

He does get more carbs than I've read is good for a person with epilepsy and will consider suggesting one of the special diets to him as in this thread.

We are all open to suggestions/things to try. He doesn't have a "neurologist" other than the one he saw for the tests in SC, and my son is in NC this summer.

I've read about all the vitamins that you are giving your daughter. I was taking notes and then got kind of overwhelmed with all the possibilities.

I am not saying that your son is, but I know a lot of children tell their parents that they do not drink....

Remember when discussing "carbs" that it is the simple carbs he should be watching out for. Chips, bread, crackers, cereal, etc

Yes I have tried quite a lot of vitamins, but for now, she is taking Omega 3, magnesium, Vit D, biotin and a probiotic. I have gone on clues from her medical history and instincts. Working to heal those areas that make sense to me. Thus, no seizures and no medications. It hasn't been quick, but it is healing from the inside out, and I do hope preventing any further medical problems.
 
I am not saying that your son is, but I know a lot of children tell their parents that they do not drink....

Maybe for most, but I do believe him.

For many reasons...first of all...it would be a very quick way to get expelled from the Christian university where he is studying to be a pastor, being one of the primary ones. ;)

Plus, we've lived here in Poland where the drunks often stagger home in front of our house. It's enough to make someone swear off alcohol.

We don't drink at all, either, so it's not considered "normal" in our household.
 
Then it sounds like that does not need to be a concern. Lucky you... one less thing to worry about.
I am nervous as my daughter is close to legal age, that she might begin to experiment. We talk opening about it, and how it will effect her brain function, and the sugar imbalance that she is dealing with.
 
I am nervous as my daughter is close to legal age, that she might begin to experiment. We talk opening about it, and how it will effect her brain function, and the sugar imbalance that she is dealing with.


Don't worry Robin. She probably won't ever drink. But if she does... She may try it once, but that'll be it. She'll never do it again. It will make her feel so incredibly terrible that she'll never even be tempted to take a drink. Hopefully if it triggers a seizure, she'll just obey her diet from then on and she'll be fine again, forever more.

It's easy to not drink when we have a built-in negative reinforcement for it. I had a little teeny 3oz glass of wine a couple of months ago thinking "what could it hurt?" Never again!

Sometimes kids (and adults) just need to find their own way. If they are smart they find it quickly.
 
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Hi Justflyingin --

I would second what has been said above about telling your son to go very slowly when tapering off meds. My experience has been that the slower the better -- very very small increments over a very long time. The meds are powerful (they have to be to cross the blood-brain barrier) and even tiny amounts/changes can be sensed by the body.

I would also note that negative tests don't necessarily rule out a seizure disorder (just as positive ones don't necessarily rule it in). Sometimes the seizure activity is too infrequent or originates too deep in the brain to be picked up. in addition, it can be tough to isolate the initial cause (for the majority of people, their seizure disorders are of unknown origin), although you're definitely on the right track in looking for factors that may be playing a role in pushing your son over the seizure threshold. In addition to making sure he has the right nutrition and supplements, he should make sure to eat regularly and stay properly hydrated.
 
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