Hey, Americans....GO VOTE!!

[Autumn Breeze]

I'm not posting to start anything....but I just wanted to encourage you all to go vote!!

It's raining here, and has been since about midnight, but my husband is about to take me to vote anyway!!

 

[PFunk]

I second that!! As free people, we should not take for granted our right to decide our countries leaders and fate.

Plus you can't bitch if you don't vote.

 

[Nakamova]

Plus you can't bitch if you don't vote.

If only that were true P-Funk! Plenty of people bitch regardless...

In some countries, people are dying for the right to vote. In some countries you can be fined if you don't vote. So, you know what to do.

 

[PFunk]

Plenty of people bitch regardless...

Damn, you're right! But I can ask them if they did, and if the answer is no, I'll look at them judgingly.

 

[Autumn Breeze]

lol!!

I usually bitch, even if I'm bitching about the guy I voted for. Nobody's perfect. But you can bet your ass I'll be in line. I instructed my husband to drag me out even if I had a tc last night. (but i didn't)

 

[jyearta]

:agree: Go Vote

 

[Autumn Breeze]

Done!!


ooh!! And my subtitle changed!!

 

[Cint]

Go Vote

Done Deal!! I voted early.

 

[Futureghost]

Can someone explain to me how the popular vote has any influence at all? Maybe i am confused about something here.
I think if you really want to help you should get behind this: http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/explanation.php#exp_1pgppl


There also needs to be universal reform (as in absolute and unilateral elimination )of the Superdelegate 'situation'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

"Superdelegates can controvert the will of the people in a close election, and they do not have to make their choice based on popular vote. Other factors like personal relationships, political alignments, or simply like or dislike of a person may inform the choice of a superdelegate. People often criticize this process of nomination because it does not fully represent the will of the people."

source: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-superdelegate.htm#lbimages

 

[Autumn Breeze]

I honestly can not answer with out potentially and inadvertently, starting something.

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[Nakamova]

:agree:

 

[Futureghost]

I honestly can not answer with out potentially and inadvertently, starting something.

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Ok, but as for "starting something" what are we afraid of here? Isn't the very foundation of democracy the capacity to discuss and come to common understanding on issues of controversy?

I am in support of everyone's right to their own views regardless of whether I agree or not, and i am not going to insult anyone for their views, nor am i going to state my own views in some way which insults others.

I am simply questioning whether the voting dance has any meaning when it can't directly effect an outcome as it presently does not. i realize that's not a happy thing to talk about but since when have a self governing people been afraid to openly discuss what needs to be discussed purely because it's not made of bunnies and rainbows?

i don't think we need to be concerned with that.
Am I risking a ban asking this question?

 

[Autumn Breeze]

No, I think your questions are valid. I am just not comfortable answering them, I'm not a fan of conflict.

 

[Futureghost]

Damn, you're right! But I can ask them if they did, and if the answer is no, I'll look at them judgingly.

^ my reason for my post.
If I don't vote because i believe that my vote doesn't influence the outcome as it rightfully should and that belief is even remotely justified do I seriously deserve the stink-eye for abstaining in for reasons of conscience?

 

[Futureghost]

No, I think your questions are valid. I am just not comfortable answering them, I'm not a fan of conflict.

ok and I can respect that. that is how you feel about it and you have a right to it. I don't personally believe that a calm discussion which includes differing views need constitute conflict. I am personally capable of conversing on any number of subjects calmly and without personal emotional attachment to the subjects under discussion.

you could PM me though...or not , or anyone else could.
I am not trying to create conflict here...I am trying to create discussion.
I think discussion is good.

 

[Autumn Breeze]

^ my reason for my post.
If I don't vote because i believe that my vote doesn't influence the outcome as it rightfully should and that belief is even remotely justified do I seriously deserve the stink-eye for abstaining in for reasons of conscience?

See, I vote in the minority for my community, a lot of the time, I feel like my vote doesn't count. But women had to fight for years in order to have the right to vote, so I do what I can to educate myself and vote.

And the more people that feel like their vote doesn't count, so they don't go, how is that going to bring about any kind of change?

 

[PFunk]

^ .
If I don't vote because i believe that my vote doesn't influence the outcome as it rightfully should and that belief is even remotely justified do I seriously deserve the stink-eye for abstaining in for reasons of conscience?

Do you have the same political process in the Netherlands?

Regardless of your thoughts of the electoral college and its associated pitfalls, it is the current system used. While it may not be ideal, a single vote does carry influence (provided each candidate wisely selected their electors). I would rather participate, than abstain with hope for future reform (self driven or not).... but to each their own.

Discussion is good, but the internet can be a poor venue for polarizing topics i.e. politics. The intended takeaway of this thread is the importance of participating in the political process as a free citizen.

 

[Autumn Breeze]

But I do completely agree with the popular vote needing to count, and Superdelagates either need to go away.

 

[Cint]

Regardless of your thoughts of the electoral college and its associated pitfalls, it is the current system used. While it may not be ideal, a single vote does carry influence (provided each candidate wisely selected their electors). I would rather participate, than abstain with hope for future reform (self driven or not).... but to each their own.

And it is an has been our system for years. One can go to the archives of the U.S. government to look up more info on the electoral college and their vote/history:
http://archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/history.html

/Discussion is good, but the internet can be a poor venue for polarizing tope i.e. politics. The intended takeaway of this thread is the importance of participating in the political process as a free citizen.

:agree: And this is not a place to discuss politics, but encourage people of their right to VOTE.

 

[Nakamova]

Ok, but as for "starting something" what are we afraid of here? Isn't the very foundation of democracy the capacity to discuss and come to common understanding on issues of controversy?

I am in support of everyone's right to their own views regardless of whether I agree or not, and i am not going to insult anyone for their views, nor am i going to state my own views in some way which insults others.

I am simply questioning whether the voting dance has any meaning when it can't directly effect an outcome as it presently does not. i realize that's not a happy thing to talk about but since when have a self governing people been afraid to openly discuss what needs to be discussed purely because it's not made of bunnies and rainbows?

i don't think we need to be concerned with that.
Am I risking a ban asking this question?

CWE is not a democracy It is a semi-private forum with discussion guidelines. Since CWE deliberately steers clear of political topics, I suggest that you visit any of the many online sites that are furiously debating the merits of the Electoral College right now.