Im sorry.. I just have to vent about people wanting guns!

[momof3boys]

Yeah I see he's off right now. So if this continues, Im for sure thinking about blocking him. Its sad to think that years ago, he and I had so much in common as friends. I guess with me starting a new chapter in my life, and having kids, made me see things differently compared to how he does. I wish the best for him and his wife, but all in all.. i just dont want to deal with seeing his opinion on certain things, and have him comment on my posts with "the opposite view" and feel like he's wanting to start a fight of something....

 

[SoonToBeMommy]

Yea, definitely not good especially if it makes you stressed or irritated.

 

[CathyAnn31]

Folks are pretty passionate on both sides of the gun debate. Unfortunately, sometimes it's best to agree to disagree and move on.

No guns in this house unless you want to count my sons' bb gun.

However, I feel responsible owners have a right to own guns. They just make me nervous so we decided against having one. My hubs was in the Marines and he's uninterested in getting one as well. My bff has quite a few and it doesn't bother me any.

Don't get me started on the semi-automatics though.

 

[CQ:)]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it pretty easy to purchase a gun in America?

I don't know if anyone has ever heard of the Port Arthur Mascare which happened in 1996. A man went on a killing spree shooting 35 people & injuring 23 people. From memory one victim lost his family (wife, 2 little girls) in the shooting.
Our gunlaws got really tight after the Port Arthur Masacre.

The Port Arthur massacre of 28 April 1996 was a killing spree in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded, mainly at the historic. Port Arthur prison colony, a popular tourist site in south-eastern Tasmania, Australia. Martin Bryant, a 28-year-old from New Town, a suburb of Hobart, eventually pleaded guilty to the crimes and was given 35 life sentences without possibility of parole. He is now imprisoned in the Wilfred Lopes Centre near Risdon Prison.

The Port Arthur massacre remains one of the deadliest shootings worldwide committed by a single person. Gun control laws in Australia, which had been relatively lenient before the massacre, were reviewed and tightened significantly after the incident.

After the shootings, it emerged that the shooter, Martin Bryant, had significant intellectual disabilities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

This is the current gun laws in Australia.

Current Australian firearm laws

State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g., Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defence is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defence.

Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

 

[CQ:)]

Ok.... I have a question for you all...

this person that I posted about earlier is really getting on my nerves... its to the point where he is posting images about how much guns are in need... how they save 650,000 people a year... posting signs about how gun control is fine...
Would you block him?

I found this in FB help, it might help you to control your FB friends unacceptable posts.

How do I control who can see posts that friends make on my timeline?
Go the account menu (in the top right of any Facebook page) and choose Privacy Settings.
Next to the Timeline and Tagging heading, click Edit Settings.
Use the audience selector to choose “Who can see posts by others on your timeline?”

How do I control what I see in my news feed?
Sort stories
Use the Sort menu in the top right of your news feed to choose which stories you see first. Click Most Recent to see stories in the order they were posted, or click Top Stories to see the most interesting stories at the top of your news feed.

Filter by friend lists
Click one of your lists on the left side of your home page to see stories just from the people on that list.

Manage the updates you're subscribed to
Hover over the Friends button at the top of a friend's timeline and select Show in News Feed to turn their updates on or off.

Hide a person or a type of story (ex: quizzes or games)
Hover over the top-right menu of a story, click the drop-down menu and choose what you'd like to hide:

Hide story will remove the story you're looking at from your news feed
Hide all by and Unsubscribe from will remove the story you're looking at from your news feed, as well as all future news feed stories from a person, Page, group, event or app
Report story or spam will remove the story you're looking at from your news feed and help keep your news feed clear of stories like it in the future
If you accidentally hide something you want to see, click the Unhide link.

Unhide stories from a person, Page, group, event or app
From your home page, hover over news feed in the left sidebar menu.
Click the pencil icon that appears to the left.
A list of people, apps, Pages, and groups you’ve hidden or unsubscribed from will appear in a pop-up box. Click the X next to each one you'd like to remove from this list. Removing someone or something from your list of hidden stories means those stories can appear in your news feed again.
Click Save.

 

[momof3boys]

I found this in FB help, it might help you to control your FB friends unacceptable posts.

How do I control who can see posts that friends make on my timeline?
Go the account menu (in the top right of any Facebook page) and choose Privacy Settings.
Next to the Timeline and Tagging heading, click Edit Settings.
Use the audience selector to choose “Who can see posts by others on your timeline?”

How do I control what I see in my news feed?
Sort stories
Use the Sort menu in the top right of your news feed to choose which stories you see first. Click Most Recent to see stories in the order they were posted, or click Top Stories to see the most interesting stories at the top of your news feed.

Filter by friend lists
Click one of your lists on the left side of your home page to see stories just from the people on that list.

Manage the updates you're subscribed to
Hover over the Friends button at the top of a friend's timeline and select Show in News Feed to turn their updates on or off.

Hide a person or a type of story (ex: quizzes or games)
Hover over the top-right menu of a story, click the drop-down menu and choose what you'd like to hide:

Hide story will remove the story you're looking at from your news feed
Hide all by and Unsubscribe from will remove the story you're looking at from your news feed, as well as all future news feed stories from a person, Page, group, event or app
Report story or spam will remove the story you're looking at from your news feed and help keep your news feed clear of stories like it in the future
If you accidentally hide something you want to see, click the Unhide link.

Unhide stories from a person, Page, group, event or app
From your home page, hover over news feed in the left sidebar menu.
Click the pencil icon that appears to the left.
A list of people, apps, Pages, and groups you’ve hidden or unsubscribed from will appear in a pop-up box. Click the X next to each one you'd like to remove from this list. Removing someone or something from your list of hidden stories means those stories can appear in your news feed again.
Click Save.

Thank you CQ! This was very helpful!

 

[Cheski]

I am a owner of firearms, to some it might be a shocking amount. My grandfather had his, my dad bought his, I have mine so the majority of them were passed down to me. I grew up in a home that's raised hunters for over 60 years. Most of my guns are NOT shot every year. You might ask then why do you have them and my response is, if they're not being shot why does it matter? They are all under lock and key except for my home defense weapon in my nightstand. Hunting is a tradition, and it's a sport. Shooting is in the Olympics.

Sure I agree, there should be greater regulations and restrictions for owning firearms. And this might be taboo to say, but I could absolutely guarantee you if I was ever in the presence of one of these mass shootings, the original shooter would get less rounds off then I would and I am an excellent marksman. I don't have a hero complex, and I don't want to be on the news, at all.

Most laws about not being able to carry weapons inside a public area are counter productive. Law abiding citizens with a permit to carry could save public lives if they were allowed to carry a weapon into this movie theater, or on a college campus. I hope were all mature and smart enough to realize this: someone hell bent on letting off 100 rounds of 7.62 ball ammo doesn't care if there's a big red sign saying he's not "allowed" to.

Now I absolutely never would, BUT if I was planning a mass shooting somewhere... you damn right I would be picking somewhere in public where they post signs you're not allowed to carry weapons into, this would mean there is a less of a chance of a law abiding citizen going hero and planting 4 in my chest.

Whether you like it or not, I carry my gun EVERYWHERE. Signs or no signs, and whether you believe me or agree with me or not, I'm no your side. I was 6 years old the first time I shot a bb gun, and I was 7 the first time I shot a .22. I've been doing it for 18 years. I've taught a countless number of my friends how to shoot, and how to handle a weapon. For me, it's a life skill.

Sorry for the rant. I wasn't ever actually "mad" while typing, this is something I am very passionate about. As long as John Smith can get a gun, I'll have mine, you can take mine away but they will be the LAST civilian guns to be taken away.

These tragedies are absolutely 100% terrible and I don't have the words for those that have been directly effected by them, we are a country founded on Freedom. Freedom is freedom of choice, and bad people make bad decisions. I'm glad the shooter wasn't on TV as much as the others were. That's why this man did this, we wanted to go out with a bang. Instead of being a sad lonely individual blowing his brains out in his living room and being a nobody in the local paper's obituary, he wanted to be on national television and he didn't get it.

 

[Cint]

Whether you like it or not, I carry my gun EVERYWHERE. Signs or no signs, and whether you believe me or agree with me or not, I'm no your side. I was 6 years old the first time I shot a bb gun, and I was 7 the first time I shot a .22. I've been doing it for 18 years. I've taught a countless number of my friends how to shoot, and how to handle a weapon. For me, it's a life skill.

WHY?
In case someone pisses you off, you go and shoot off your gun?
Americans are the only people in the world who believe in owning SOOOOOOO many guns! Why? Killing is a sport? That is what most of the guns are used for, regardless of what type.

 

[Cint]

That's why this man did this, we wanted to go out with a bang. Instead of being a sad lonely individual blowing his brains out in his living room and being a nobody in the local paper's obituary, he wanted to be on national television and he didn't get it.

onder: That's not what I'm hearing. I hear he was a very, very troubled individual, like the one here in Colorado and the Virginia Tech shooter.

Not only do we need stiffer gun control here in the U.S., we need better Mental Health understanding and more doctors who are willing to take in these very sick individuals and treat them in a real treatment center instead of jails.

 

[CathyAnn31]

Like I said, there are people on both sides of the gun debate that are passionate in their beliefs.

Here in Texas you can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. My dad had one, I'm sure lots of people do. It's their perogative. To each their own.

 

[Cheski]

WHY?
In case someone pisses you off, you go and shoot off your gun?
Americans are the only people in the world who believe in owning SOOOOOOO many guns! Why? Killing is a sport? That is what most of the guns are used for, regardless of what type.

No, I've never pointed a gun at another person, and I hope I never have to. Did you read my post? I carry in case my life is threatened and I have the means to defend myself. I'm not sure what stats you're pulling. And I don't give to little baby squirts what MOST guns are used for, I know what MINE are used for. 2 answers, sport (hunting and marksmanship) and protection.

Bad people do bad things and I won't be someone who lets bad things like this happen to myself or those around me.

I'm all for discussing and debating issues, it's almost a hobby. But this is the epitome of ignorance.

 

[Cheski]

onder: That's not what I'm hearing. I hear he was a very, very troubled individual, like the one here in Colorado and the Virginia Tech shooter.

Not only do we need stiffer gun control here in the U.S., we need better Mental Health understanding and more doctors who are willing to take in these very sick individuals and treat them in a real treatment center instead of jails.

Troubled is a gross understatement. If he didn't KNOW he would be talked about nationally, he would have never left his house. Sad still yes, but the only dead bodies by his hand would have been behind the closed doors of his house.

 

[Cheski]

The reason a side of an issue loses it's credibility is b.c of you Cint. If you are truly ignorant enough to think all gun owners are the same, then you need to stay far far far away from the issue if you ever want gun regulation taken seriously. If you want to treat a law abiding gun owner/carrier like a "troubled" person who wants to shoot up a school, then I reserve the right to treat every last person of faith in the USA like they came from Westboro Baptist Church. BUT I'M NOT that stupid.

If you're frustrated that's whatever. Then cool off before you plan to speak intelligently on anything of importance. If this is your everyday thought process on the matter, the more quiet you are, the farther it will travel in your favor.

 

[Cint]

No, I've never pointed a gun at another person, and I hope I never have to. Did you read my post? I carry in case my life is threatened and I have the means to defend myself. I'm not sure what stats you're pulling. And I don't give to little baby squirts what MOST guns are used for, I know what MINE are used for. 2 answers, sport (hunting and marksmanship) and protection.

Yes, I read your post. Did you read both of my posts?

And that is what the mother of this shooter said, too. The guns were to be used as a sport, but they got into the wrong hands. Never say never.

And here are some of the stats.
From http://www.globalresearch.ca/gun-violence-in-america/5315892

US civilian gun ownership is the highest worldwide. Yemen ranks second. America doubles the Yemeni level.

On Friday, 28 Sandy Hook Elementary School Newtown, CT children and teachers were murdered. A heavily armed 20-year old man used semiautomatic pistols and a semiautomatic rifle.

It was the third deadliest gun-related massacre in US history.


Numerous other gun-related lesser scale massacres pockmark US history. The right to own, conceal, and use assault and other deadly weapons is an ugly America tradition. It’s long past time it ended.

On November 18, 2012, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence said “epidemic levels of gun violence (claim) over 30,000 lives annually.” US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data document it.

Every gun-related death leaves two others wounded. Every year, about 100,000 Americans are gun violence victims. Countless others are irreparably harmed. Nothing whatever is done to curb or prevent what’s shocking and intolerable.

The 1968 Gun Control Act fell woefully short. Federal regulation enacted was weak and ineffective. Gun manufacturers supported the measure.

It prohibits interstate firearms transfers except among licensed manufacturers, dealers and importers. It did nothing to curb gun proliferation across America.

In 1982, a Senate Judiciary Committee report claimed “the second amendment to our Constitution was intended as an individual right of the American citizen to keep and carry arms in a peaceful manner, for the protection of himself, his family, and his freedoms.”

Ignored was that so called individual rights violate those of most others. Death or injury by gun violence in American exceeds vulnerability anywhere else and then some.

US communities are unsafe. Police on routine street or traffic patrol wear bulletproof vests for protection. At one time, it was unheard of. Today it’s standard practice.

Gun violence touches every segment of society. It happens on streets, in homes, at work, in schools, numerous other places, and by self-inflicted shootings.

Major incidents like Virginia Tech and Norwalk, CT make headlines. Thousands of other shootings go unnoticed.

CDC calls firearm deaths “an important public health concern.” Congress dismisses it. Vulnerability to domestic gun-related death or injury exceeds some US war theaters.

Instead of shocking politicians to act, they support the virtual unrestricted right to bear arms. Automatic ones are prohibited. They’re easily obtained, nonetheless. Powerful semi-automatic assault ones are freely bought and sold.

 

[Cint]

The reason a side of an issue loses it's credibility is b.c of you Cint. If you are truly ignorant enough to think all gun owners are the same, then you need to stay far far far away from the issue if you ever want gun regulation taken seriously. If you want to treat a law abiding gun owner/carrier like a "troubled" person who wants to shoot up a school, then I reserve the right to treat every last person of faith in the USA like they came from Westboro Baptist Church. BUT I'M NOT that stupid.

If you're frustrated that's whatever. Then cool off before you plan to speak intelligently on anything of importance. If this is your everyday thought process on the matter, the more quiet you are, the farther it will travel in your favor.

I'm am frustrated because of ignorant folks like you who think GUNS are not harmful. I DID NOT SAY ALL GUN OWNERS ARE THE SAME, so please stop putting words in my mouth. All I'm saying is we need better gun control in the US because guns often get into the wrong hands. I think you
need to cool off before posting again.

 

[momof3boys]

WHY?
In case someone pisses you off, you go and shoot off your gun?
Americans are the only people in the world who believe in owning SOOOOOOO many guns! Why? Killing is a sport? That is what most of the guns are used for, regardless of what type.

I see it the same way. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I see it the same way. Not here to start anything, just wanted to comment on this.

onder: That's not what I'm hearing. I hear he was a very, very troubled individual, like the one here in Colorado and the Virginia Tech shooter.

Not only do we need stiffer gun control here in the U.S., we need better Mental Health understanding and more doctors who are willing to take in these very sick individuals and treat them in a real treatment center instead of jails.

I heard the same thing. They said earlier this morning that according to the research, they have him going to college in 2009, and after that, its like there is nothing on him until now that he did this horriable thing. God only knows if he got worse with something mentally going on, during that time period, which over time, resulted in him doing this. I agree, we need better mental heath understanding and more treatment centers to help those individuals who have these troubles, rather than they get worse with no treatment, which results in these type of crimes to occur.

 

[momof3boys]

I'm am frustrated because of ignorant folks like you who think GUNS are not harmful. I DID NOT SAY ALL GUN OWNERS ARE THE SAME, so please stop putting words in my mouth. All I'm saying is we need better gun control in the US because guns often get into the wrong hands. I think you
need to cool off before posting again.

:agree:

I need to say these exact words to my FB friend. I see this morning he posted an image saying... " If you support more gun control, Please Unfriend me today! Thank you".....

 

[Cint]

If this is your everyday thought process on the matter, the more quiet you are, the farther it will travel in your favor.

And it hasn't been an every day issue until this past week. I cannot get away from it because of all the media and postings on CWE, FB, etc................

 

[Cint]

Thanks Kristin. And now look at this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/nra-goes-silent-connecticut-school-shooting-080658189.html

NRA Goes Silent After Connecticut School Shooting

Where is the NRA?

The nation's largest gun-rights organization — typically outspoken about its positions even after shooting deaths — has gone all but silent since last week's rampage at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that left 26 people dead, including 20 children.

Its Facebook page has disappeared. It has posted no tweets. It makes no mention of the shooting on its website. None of its leaders hit the media circuit Sunday to promote its support of the Second Amendment right to bear arms as the nation mourns the latest shooting victims and opens a new debate over gun restrictions. On Monday, the NRA offered no rebuttal as 300 anti-gun protesters marched to its Capitol Hill office.

 

[Cheski]

Of course I know guns are harmful. Now you're putting words in my mouth. Guns being potentially harmful is irrefutable. That's a fact. The problem isn't the guns, it's the gun owners and yes of course you can't have "gun owners" w.o guns.

What other emotion is conveyed when you bold type "WHY?" in some 10x size font? You insinuated that I would shoot someone b.c they piss me off b.c I'm carrying a gun. So what other thought would go through my head other than "this guy thinks everyone in America who carries a gun is a threat". You assume I'm a threat to you being a gun owner and you don't know me. The two things I can tell you right now are there is not a person in this country who is safer with their guns than and I am as mentally healthy as they come (minus my E, lol). I promise you, I am NO threat to the safety to any innocent bystander.

Protection and sport are MY purposes for MY guns. MY guns are under lock and key and the ammunition for those guns is under a DIFFERENT lock and key. MY guns are 100% as safe as can be. NO ONE handles my guns w.o my permission and knowledge. Guns are a hobby of mine, it's a sport, shooting a target, testing your marksmanship is a skill and I never want to put lead through another person's body. That has no piece of the pie chart of reasons why I own guns.

His mom knew there was something wrong with him and let him have weapons, sorry I don't fully blame her but she's not at all innocent in this matter.

I don't feel like a badass with my .45 strapped to my hip. I don't go arround doing w.e I please knowing that the first person to get in my face has to stare down the barrel of my gun.

If you can think of a way to keep guns away from the loonies and the criminals by all means do it. I am not a threat, MY guns are NO threat. It's a hobby I grew up with, that's all (to me). MY weapons come with no malicious intent attached to them.