is epilepsy the true "senseless pain"?

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are seizures the purest definition of "senseless pain"?
considering "senseless" can be defined as both 'unconscious' (ex: knocked senseless), and as 'without reasoning' (ex: senseless violence), and taking in to account one experiences both unconsciousness and, therefore, lack of reasoning, which results in pain... it seems like seizures may be the purest definition of the term senseless pain.
 
How does lack of reasoning result in pain? That'a rather a large leap you've made there. I'm going to need a few more steps to get up there.
 
well, whenever I've been tonic-clonic which results in my losing consciousness, losing 'sense', and waking up in pain - ergo, 'senseless pain'

upon waking up, I guess my body goes through the phases of realizing pain before realizing anything else like, what language I speak, how to speak it, figuring out where I am, what year it is, why there might be something inserted into my arm, yadda yadda :)

I wasn't trying to indicate that it's the lack of reasoning that results in pain.
the seizure causes the pain, and the unconsciousness.
lack of senses + pain = senseless pain
 
Along the lines of "if a tree falls in a forest and nobody's there to hear it, does it make a sound?"

If you fall with a painful convulsive seizure, but none of your pain sensors are "conscious" to observe it, does it actually hurt?

Or is it just deferred pain, since it definitely hurts like hell once those sensors wake up...
 
Go question Pete. I love this stuff. Hmmm, riddle me this. Pain is created by our brain and nervous system. We know pain following a seizure is definitely sensed by the body. It was caused by the seizure, so it is with reason, thus not senseless in that regard. The next question is, does the body experience pain while unconscious (senseless) in a seizure? If pain is a form of communication from our nervous system to our conscious brain, can pain even exist while we are unconscious? Here’s an analogy, if I make a phone call and no one picks up, then I can’t have a conversation. Now we need to look at the definition of pain. Is pain defined by the signals our nerves send out or is it defined by our brain which translates the information into pain. If you believe the prior, then would the sense of touch also be considered a lesser form of pain as most pain is caused by contact? If you believe the latter, then our brain creates pain as it discerns what is touch and at which point it becomes pain. Thus the brains interpretations of tactile signals is the source of pain.

What I do know is if you fall on your ass, it becomes a pain in the ass. :)
 
my Son just said tonight, I dont mind the T/C seizure coz Im not there.....but hates the run up to the T/C and the aftermath.....still says rather have seizure once in while than be medded off the planet......speaking for my Son here and we had this conversation minutes ago..
 
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it sucks because I have a hard time telling how long it takes me to really come to. I guess what I'm trying to say wouldn't be exclusive to seizures, but also any other period of unconsciousness, where you feel pain, but can't yet reason. and where the effort to reason is exhausting itself.
 
How do you know your body doesn't sense the pain and that it knows it is not the right time for your mind to experience it, so waits to tell you?
 
P-Funk said:
What I do know is if you fall on your ass, it becomes a pain in the ass. :)
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LOL. LMAO!!!!

Ouch!

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Though hands has not touched my heart, it aches in pain beyond my brains comprehension.
 
well, pain is just a chemical reaction - so is unconsciousness, right? - so unconsciousness itself might be an evolutionary advantage that limits the amount of pain one has to experience, to prevent you from going insane from pain. ?
but the pain after unconsciousness is immediately difficult to process, while becoming conscious - or if seizures are clustered closer together they limit the level of consciousness one is able to achieve, while still experiencing the pain
I don't think the brain can quite "remember" sensations exactly - otherwise we'd probably be a culture of obsessed orgasm-rememberers


incognito said:
How do you know your body doesn't sense the pain and that it knows it is not the right time for your mind to experience it, so waits to tell you?
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petero said:
I guess what I'm trying to say wouldn't be exclusive to seizures, but also any other period of unconsciousness, where you feel pain, but can't yet reason. and where the effort to reason is exhausting itself.
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Ok you sold me. Pain during a transient period is pain without reason because the person is incapiable of reasoning.


And if anyone cares, I believe pain is created by the brain solely. The brain interprets information and draws conclusions. Sensing pain tells me something needs dire attention and I need to react. When pain becomes greater than the a person can handle the brain shuts itself off and the person passes out. I guess what I'm saying is it comes to awareness. How can anything exist without consciousness. In the transient time after a seizure, you are still aware, although it's just severally impaired. Alright, that’s enough out of me. :)
 
And if anyone cares, I believe pain is created by the brain solely.
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I think it is also created by the Red Sox.
 
I think this is well said P-Funk- sums up things well. There's a period where the brain isn't able yet to reason, but is still able to experience pain, and the seizure pain knocks me out immediately, or faster than I'm able to reason, and so upon waking the brain can't make sense of the pain. There's no immediate "ow - fire is hot!" type of ability to reason. So it is senseless pain.

P-Funk said:
Ok you sold me. Pain during a transient period is pain without reason because the person is incapiable of reasoning.


And if anyone cares, I believe pain is created by the brain solely. The brain interprets information and draws conclusions. Sensing pain tells me something needs dire attention and I need to react. When pain becomes greater than the a person can handle the brain shuts itself off and the person passes out. I guess what I'm saying is it comes to awareness. How can anything exist without consciousness. In the transient time after a seizure, you are still aware, although it's just severally impaired. Alright, that’s enough out of me. :)
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P-Funk said:
Ok you sold me. Pain during a transient period is pain without reason because the person is incapiable of reasoning.


And if anyone cares, I believe pain is created by the brain solely. The brain interprets information and draws conclusions. Sensing pain tells me something needs dire attention and I need to react. When pain becomes greater than the a person can handle the brain shuts itself off and the person passes out. I guess what I'm saying is it comes to awareness. How can anything exist without consciousness. In the transient time after a seizure, you are still aware, although it's just severally impaired. Alright, that’s enough out of me. :)
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Yes I believe you are correct... if something is wrong, the pain receptors send a signal to the brain saying something is wrong... it keeps people from doing harm to themselves, like touching something really hot - if you keep your hand on it, you hurt yourself, but the pain receptors tell you to STOP touching it.... Or something like that... I do know the brain interprets pain, so it would make sense if the brain is in a state of disarray then you wouldn't have actual pain (even if your muscles and whatnot SHOULD hurt) because the brain can't interpret the signals from the receptors. It's why they say you shouldn't take pain relievers before exercising (running in my case)... it numbs the pain, but pain is the body's way of saying that something is wrong, so you keep going because it doesn't hurt... but you're still injuring the body part.

Just a theory based on what I already know... Yeah, I'm a nerd :)
 
Oddly enough, the expectation of pain can be all it takes for the pain receptors to start firing.
 
When I am going into a full seizure I can feel paralysis covering my body part by part. It happens fast but it seems to take so long like one of those horror movies. I think that if i can move I can stop it but normally I can't move. All the while my brain is telling me that I am dying. I have died so many times. I hope that real dying is not like this as it is so frightening. When I wake up I don't experience any pain until much later generally just that same panic until someone can calm me down. It is much later when I am more in my right mind after having a little sleep that I figure out that I have bitten up my tongue or sprained something. For me its the emotional pain of the seizure that's the worse.
 
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