Permanent Effects of AEDs?

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I'm curious, which AEDs cause permanent changes to the brain, and what are those changes? I'm a little worried about what I'm going to wake up with in 20 or 30 years. I've done a google search and turned up nothing, either because there isn't anything much, or because I'm not the googlemaster I thought I was. I know seizures are generally much more apt to do harm to the brain than the meds, but I'd still like to know what the meds do that can't be reversed.

I've heard about very long-term use of Dilantin and shrinkage of the cerebellum and/or brain stem in some people. When did they first discover this? How long was it after the drug's release? Do any of the other drugs we take result in permanent changes, for the worse or for the better?

Oh, wait. I tried another search. <insert drug here> long term effects.

For lamictal:
As lamotrigine has only been available for a relatively short time, it was first marketed in 1990, there is no information about long term side-effects
. This is a psychiatric site, but the same med so side effects are applicable to us, too: http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.lamotrigine.html

Couldn't find anything about permanent changes for other drugs.
 
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Dilantin has been around since the 1900s (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenytoin ) so it has a good long track record. Dilantin's effects on the brain occur after many years at fairly high doses. I don't know how they discovered the brain side effects -- probably via autopsies. :(

I asked the neuro I saw last week whether or not the blurry vision was permanent or would go away if I stopped taking Lamictal. He said maybe, maybe not, there wasn't a lot of data. I asked what it was about Lamictal that affected vision and he said "Nobody knows. We don't even know exactly how it works to stop seizures." If they don't even know how a drug works I suppose it makes it tricky to figure out if it's the culprit for any specific long-term damage. I think current practice is to try to minimize long-term use of AEDs if possible, and to minimize the dosage levels over time. That wasn't always the case.

I'd like to know if there any ongoing studies of the long-term effects of any of the other AEDs. Something tells me the drug companies aren't devoting a lot of resources to it, though.
 
long term effects

I did some more research. I didn't do all drugs. Just some. There are shockingly few studies and very little data about long term or permanent effects of our AEDs. Most of what was on the internet was the result of a doctor reporting a side effect to the FDA.

I included what info I could find with some quick searches. Most of the links have citations (links to studies). I didn't comb the package inserts for short-term side effects that could be permanent, like liver failure.

I included the dates the drugs were approved by the FDA or introduced. Some of the drugs that were introduced recently, like in the last 20 years, probably have long-term effects that are presently unknown. Some have been out 40 or 50 years, which is probably enough time to know long-term effects.

Dilantin (Phenytoin)
Approved by the FDA in 1953.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilantin
Phenytoin may accumulate in the cerebral cortex over long periods of time, as well as causing atrophy of the cerebellum when administered at chronically high levels. Despite this, the drug has a long history of safe use, making it one of the more popular anti-convulsants prescribed by doctors, and a common "first line of defense" in seizure cases
...Phenytoin has been known to cause drug-induced lupus.
http://www.rxlist.com/dilantin-drug.htm
There have been a number of reports suggesting a relationship between phenytoin and the development of lymphadenopathy (local or generalized) including benign lymph node hyperplasia, pseudolymphoma, lymphoma, and Hodgkin's disease.

Dyskinesias, including chorea, dystonia, tremor, and asterixis, may be caused by phenytoin. Also, a small number of patients report sensory peripheral polyneuropathy.

http://www.epilepsy.com/EPILEPSY/SEIZURE_MEDICINES
Cerebellar atrophy may be another long-term effect of phenytoin, especially if high doses are used. Damage severe enough to produce significant problems is uncommon, however.


Depakote (Valproic Acid, sodium valproate):
Approved by the FDA in 1983

http://www.epilepsy.com/medications/b_depakote_side
Some people who have taken Depakote for many years have experienced bone loss and a few other disorders. Taking both calcium and vitamin D may help to prevent this kind of problem. Doctors sometimes recommend a bone density test to identify which people need treatment for bone loss.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depakote
The above side effects suggest a possibility of liver damage.

(Note from endless: The bone loss is a side effect that's common for most of our meds, though. They suck the vitamin D right out of our bodies. Everybody in here should be taking D, as well as some other vitamins, and having their D and B tested at regular intervals.)

Tegretol (Carbamazepine):
Was introduced in the UK in 1965, in the U.S. in 1974

http://facial-neuralgia.org/treatments/drugs/carbamazepine.html
However, in the long term carbamazepine can have a variety of side effects. Various problems with vision may remain. A great many patients remain permanently exhausted and find their thought processes impaired. Memory loss is particularly common; since many patients are elderly, this is unfortunately often ignored as being due to dementia and aging. Nausea and dizziness is also possible...
[Tomson et al., 1988] note that carbamazepine may affect vision more heavily than older epileptic drugs (primarily phenytoin). Blurred vision is particularly common. The effect seem to be dose-dependent, but it is not clear whether stopping the drug will cause vision to recover fully.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegretol#Adverse_effects
Carbamazepine increases the risk of developing lupus by 1.88

Clonazepan
Approved by the FDA in 1975

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonazepam#Long_term_effects
The long term effects of clonazepam can include; depression, disinhibition and sexual dysfunction.[51] Long-term use of benzodiazepines are also associated with cognitive impairments which persist for at least 6 months, but it is unclear whether these impairments may be permanent.

Gabapentin
Approved by the FDA in 1994

http://www.epilepsy.com/medications/b_gabapentin_side
The long-term side effects of gabapentin are not known.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabapentin#Adverse_effects
Gabapentin is also known to induce pancreatic acinar cell carcinomas in rats through an unknown mechanism, perhaps by stimulation of DNA synthesis; these tumors did not affect the lifespan of the rats and did not metastasize.

Keppra
Approved by the FDA in 2000.

Couldn't find any info on LT effects. The drug is too new.

Topamax (Topiramate)
Approved by the FDA in 1996
It is so recent that there is not much data on permanent side effects. There was some mention of hearing loss and glaucoma.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR601527/DSECTION=side-effects
The mayo clinic article lists hearing loss, but does not say if it is permanent. (Hearing loss assumes nerve damage, so I'm guessing that it may be permanent)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topamax#Side_effects
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has notified prescribers that topiramate can cause acute myopia and secondary angle closure glaucoma in a small subset of people who take topiramate regularly.[citation needed] The symptoms, which typically begin in the first month of use, include blurred vision and eye pain. Discontinuation of topiramate may halt the progression of the ocular damage, and may reverse the visual impairment.


Trileptal (Oxcarbazepine)
Introduced in 2000. Still too new to know it's LT affects. None known yet.


Vimpat (Lacosamide)
FDA approval in 2008, uk approval in 2008

Extremely new, so no data on LT effects. The clinical trials had a median length of only 12 weeks. http://www.rxlist.com/vimpat-drug.htm

http://www.rxlist.com/vimpat-drug.htm
Ear and labyrinth disorders: tinnitus
In clinical trials in patients with diabetic neuropathy, asymptomatic first-degree AV block was observed as an adverse reaction in 0.5% (5/1023) of patients receiving VIMPAT and 0% (0/291) of patients receiving placebo. When VIMPAT is given with other drugs that prolong the PR interval, further PR prolongation is possible.
(Note from endless: Does not say if tinnitus is permanent, but usually tinnitus is caused by nerve damage in the ear. Did not say if AV block (heart problem) was permanent, either. The articles below may shed some light on that. I think the first article below says first-degree block is usually not serious, unless it progresses.)

More info on First-degree AV block:
http://www.patscotland.org.uk/medical_appendices/H/HEART BLOCK.pdf
http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/First_Degree_AV_Block

Note from endless: The second article on AV Block, above, says digoxin results in reversible AV block. So maybe it's reversible when it's from Vimpat, too. (no data so who knows)

Another thought by me: most of this stuff has symptoms. If we stay in touch with our own bodies and go to the doctor right away when things aren't right, I bet our drug can be changed to another and we'd avoid most of the permanent side effects before they turn permanent. The only ones I'm really worried about are the ones that look temporary, but don't go away when we discontinue the drug. (like vision problems)
 
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My dilantin experience - 29 years of it.

I don't feel that I have any 'serious' side effects from the dilantin. I do know that I am not as mentally fast and focused as I used to be, but that could be from the keppra and lamictal, could be from the E, or could be other factors such as aging or stress.

I do watch my liver closely. Dilatin is rough on the liver. My tests use to come back slightly elevated, but have been normal for the last several years.

My niece who has a PHD in neoroscience has told me that Dilantin would never get approved with today's tougher standards.
 
The generic form of keppra i believe has left the left side of my head sensitive
more by the temple area. Any kind of pressure or sleeping wrong will make it hurt.
My neuro and primary dr have no clue as to what it is.
It has changed the way my myoclonic jerks happen though I believe the jerks
I am not used to are slowly fading and I am going back to the normal ones.
But the head issue has been with me for at least 5 months now and I wonder if
it will be permanent.
that's just my two cents. I like this thread as I think a new drug might be introduced to
me in the distant future.
 
Dilantin

I have been on Dilantin for about 30 years, it remains the only AED that I have been on. Aside from Valium, which I have gone off of for now. Like Buckeye, I do have some cognitive difficulties, with my reactions slowed. Some problems getting out my thoughts verbally in a quick manner. I attribute this to a 2003 hospital stay where they mainlined the stuff to me for three days, along with a host of other drugs. At the time I was working for an attorney, when I compare my writing before that time to post hospital stay, I am acutely more astute in my thinking patterns. I do have some tremor in my hands, and my vision is a little wonky. My husband would say I have some personality distortions!
On a side note, my Mother who is 79 has two women she went to nursing school with 61 years ago who both have a seizure disorder. These women are both on Dilantin, since they were young and are still active. Gives me hope!!:bigsmile:
 
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