Fainted and knocked myself out on cement

[Mojavewolf]

I am new here and trying to find some answers. I am not sure if for one I am getting the proper care.I am scared and need support Please. About two months ago I fainted and knocked myself out on cement. My boyfriend heard my head hit and freaked out! He didn't know what happened!!?? I smoked what they call dab which is a high content THC, I started to feel tingling in left arm and wanted to get up and leave,panic attack starting ! I didn't tell him because I was freaking out..The next thing I know I am on floor ,dont remember passing out and throwing up,he put me on my side.I hit my head so hard it was bleeding and had to have four staples put in. I am really freaked out about this nightmare. Ambulance came and though I was knocked out I could hear off and on. I heard him say the word seizure!! I thought in my head what??!! I could not believe that as I am 62 and never had one and none in Family. The hospital said all my vitals were good and they did a cat scan.They let me go that night. But because my boyfriend said seizure they are going by his words as first seizure. Neur at hospital looked at me and said,You didn't have a seizure did you? Puzzled. I looked at him and said I don't know I wasn't there! I went to GP next day and she ordered an eeg. I had that done a few weeks later..(County) This was in July and just got results. It said slow brain waves and he does not want to see me until I get MRI...So got blood done today and cant get MRI until 27th of Oct..Since I have anxiety disorder I am thinking the worse. My whole Life has changed.I will never touch dab or weed again. I used it before bed for sleeping(Medical) Does this mean I have seizures now? or is it from my head injury? My neck was killing me that day and I am still having neck pain..No headaches just neck..I am using heating pad and Ice. Plus I am sure I had or have a concussion..Does anyone no if eeg test can show slow brain waves with head injury without seizure disorder..I have not had a seizure since hitting my head at the beginning of August..Please can anyone talk to me that knows about eeg and why brain waves would be slow..I also am on medication for anxiety 2mg klonopin at night and celexa for depression.. I had a sleep deprived test and had taken my medicine that night but only took 1 mg klonopin and my celexa...Really making myself sick..I cant go on for a month like this until mri. I had a cat scan would that show up something?? Please Help...Freaking out.. I no longer smoke !! since accident!!:brain: I must say before this nightmare I worked out four days a week 2hours at a time. Cardio one hour Weight training and floor work one hour..So I was in good shape except for my anxiety disorder and panic attacks.. Which Panic attacks were rare,pretty controlled on these meds I take..Hardly ever anxiety.But now it is full blown again..

 

[Nakamova]

Hey Mojavewolf --

Generally speaking, a seizure disorder (epilepsy) isn't diagnosed unless someone has had more than one seizure episode. Plenty of people have a one-off seizure, and that may be the case for you. It's also possible that the EEG was ambiguous or a false positive. It sounds like the docs are playing it safe and running the tests just to be sure. The MRI will most likely come up negative -- it's just a precautionary test to rule out structural or vascular abnormalities in the brain.

Though quitting smoking is great, doing it cold turkey can also be stressful, and in some people can temporarily increase anxiety levels. Can you see a doc to review your anxiety meds? If you were taking medical marijuana, perhaps you can change the prescription to a low-THC variety that will help with both sleeping and quieting the brain. (Some people with seizure disorders have found that low-THC marijuana, or hemp paste can help with seizure control, stress reduction and sleep.).

Feel free to post with more questions here -- information can help you get a handle on what's going on, and CWE members are a terrific source of information and support.

Best,
Nakamova

 

[Mojavewolf]

Thank you for responding. I am on klonopin and Celexa. It's good to know they don't diagnose you with seizure disorder with just one. I would think hitting my head so hard on the cement cutting it open, would be enough for my brain to be firing off all over the place. I know during eeg my neck was killing me, whiplash , and I was in panic mode during the whole test. I have since read TBI can slow brain waves as well. As someone with a anxiety disorder we are great over thinkers. We also imagine the worse scenarios. I am 62 and they are going by what my boyfriend said. But the neuro who did my cat scan looked at me puzzled and said "you didn't have a seizure did you?"I should of said no, but I was out of it and possibly still high. I overdid it. Like I said only before bed.During day I work out four days a week and did run six miles . I am trying to relax and trust God, Still scared to leave house thinking of losing control. You have no ideal how much I appreciate your expertise on this. It helps me to put it in the right perspective. This Neuro has never met me and will not talk to me until MRI is done! I think he is only going by first seizure paper and does not even know the full story. Smoking wax high THC. Content and fainting and hitting back of head on cement and knocking myself out! I think brain waves can slow on brain injury and whiplash pain. My neck is just now starting to feel better but I don't dare lift. Thank you so much for talking to me. You have no ideal how I appreciate it. ����

 

[Mojavewolf]

Fear

I would think I would of already had another seizure with as all my sleep deprivation and anxiety thru the roof! My blood work was just done and it came out good.I guess they wanted blood work before I do MRI scheduled on Oct 27th. So more waiting. But wouldn't cat scan show any abnormaties?? Just like MRI??

 

[acshuman]

Cause May Too Deep In Brain For EEG To Detect

Mojavewolf,
It is common for an EEG to not find a problem. The area of the brain that had a problem may be very deep so the sensors that are inserted in the skin can't read these brainwaves.
It also is common for a person's brain to not show the problem during the test.(EEG, MRI, CAT)
You can't get too upset while the tests are being completed and the doctors have had time to analyze them! What they are doing is just like when they do tests and analyze the results to reach a conclusion if you tell them something at an appointment. It just so happened that you had an incident happen physically before they started the tests.
Having one problem does NOT mean Epilepsy. The same can be said about your hearing the word 'seizure'. As you said, your BF said this and all he was doing was asking a question not a making a diagnosis!
I'm sure there are some things that you like to do. You need to focus on doing those things while you are waiting for the test results to keep you anxiety levels down. In your case the worst thing you can do is think about what happened because this brings more anxiety to you!

acshuman

 

[Mojavewolf]

Your sweet Thank you. I know this but as you know having a anxiety disorder it's easier said then done����

 

[Mojavewolf]

I excepted your friendship but don't know if I did it right.. I am also on face book under Pamela Bonilla

 

[Nakamova]

But wouldn't cat scan show any abnormaties?? Just like MRI??

Cat scans and MRI scans are complementary techniques -- each has its own strengths and weaknesses.

A Cat scan is essentially an X-ray. It's faster and cheaper than an MRI, so it tends to be used in the ER, esp. after head trauma, and it's especially good at looking at bone.

An MRI provides better detail overall -- not just bone, but also soft tissue -- and it's more sensitive and specific for abnormalities within the brain. So when you want to look more closely at the brain, it's the way to go. If someone has had a seizure and/or head trauma, it's standard procedure to recommend an MRI.

 

[Nakamova]

But the neurologist who did my cat scan looked at me puzzled and said "you didn't have a seizure did you?"

The CAT scan wouldn't have shown whether or not you had a seizure. It could show a brain issue (like bleeding or a cyst), but it wouldn't show whether or not you had a seizure. My guess is that the neuro mentioned seizure either because of something written into the record by the EMTs, or because of the slow brain wave pattern on the EEG. The slowing doesn't necessarily mean you had a seizure. It can be associated with more than condition. Read on...

can anyone talk to me that knows about eeg and why brain waves would be slow.

Slow brain wave patterns on an EEG can be the result of a TBI such as yours. Those brainwave patterns may revert to normal within hours or may clear more slowly over many weeks.

By the way, in addition to treating panic disorder, Klonopin is also an anti-seizure drug. It's generally only prescribed on a short-term basis, and if you reduce or stop your dose suddenly that could potentially cause a seizure. It doesn't sound like that's what you did, but just want to make sure you and your docs look at all possible triggers. If you are taking it on a long-term basis, your doctors should be checking levels from time to time, and also be made aware of any other powerful brain substances your are taking (such as high TCH mj) that might interact with it.

 

[Mojavewolf]

You are really informative and I Thank you for sharing your information!! It helps a lot. So a cat scan can see cysts and tumors?yes I'm tripping on that!! It's funny because I have not had headaches but my neck has given me a lot of trouble and back of head sore where it hit. Are you a Dr? Or Nurse? That's good to know my tbi could cause slowing. I don't even think this Nero knows I had a brain injury. Or neck injury. I am glad you brought up to tell him about THC and my klonopin and Celexa. Thank you for giving me the information I need.You have no ideal how much your helping to understand. Since I can't speak to Dr. It's scary to because I don't know these Doctors. It's not like a Dr that knows me and I know them. We are strangers.Plus I am in a emotionally abusive relationship and he does not want to help me at all.. I have no support !! Just getting yelled at everyday.. I was in the process of looking for a place to move to get out of this abuse , when this accident happened!! Trust me not knowing the doctors and a man that does everything he can to make me feel worse and just plain stupid. No hugs , No help no support. Your it !!������

 

[Nakamova]

I'm not a doctor or nurse. But I've been on this site for a long time, and learned a lot from it as well as other research. I'm sorry to hear that you are in an abusive relationship -- I was going to suggest that you bring your boyfriend to any meetings with the doctors. It can be helpful to have a friend or family member there to ask questions and take notes on what the doctor says. Is there someone else you can have come to appointments with you?

:hugs:

 

[Mojavewolf]

I just will bring him because he was the one that knows what happened. He was the one that asked me down to his apt to smoke the wax , Higher concentrate of THC. So I want him there so Dr knows what happened. I t was a cause and effect. I didn't know then but I know now that that stuff lowers your blood pressure. So when I was having panic attack I got up and this is what I think. The blood pooled to my legs and my brain lost oxygen and I fainted. Then because I blacked out I fell back and hit my head on cement and knocked myself out. If I had not knocked myself out. I would of come too quickly. But also maybe brain fired off in all directions hitting skull on each side. Maybe it cause a small seizure because I didn't shake just stiffened for a bit . But I also know a faint can look like a seizure. Eyes were wide open but not rolling back in head. Head cut from hitting so hard. That's why he came in kitchen heard my head hit the ground with a thunk.But this is just what I think. Lack of Oxygen caused by wax. Did you say CT scan can see cysts and tumors too?

 

[Mojavewolf]

I stopped suddenly from smoking weed or wax. Don't want it after this!! The weed alone helped me before bedtime. I wish I never tried that wax. I had to much and high concentrate.So I am just taking klonopin and Celexa now. No THC

 

[Frink]

Sounds like a classic case of Overtoke. You smoked too much pot/THC.

One reason they are now using CBD is because no matter the dose it stays inhibitory, calming the brain. THC, on the other hand, after a certain dose can become excitatory, leading to a paranoid state/ panic attack.

When the panic starts the heart rate goes way up making the heart a very inefficient pump, reducing blood flow to the brain. When you panic you want to get away from the stressful situation, so you stand up and start to walk with poor blood flow to the brain from the high heart rate and you pass out, hit the ground and the blood flow problem corrects itself.

Sorry to hear your boyfriend is a jerk, any chance of finding a better one?

 

[Nakamova]

Did you say CT scan can see cysts and tumors too?

It can potentially, although the MRI usually provides a clear, more detailed picture one way or another, and can is show vascular issues better as well.

It sounds as if there's a chance you might not have had a seizure. The evidence seems ambiguous at best. Good luck!

 

[Cint]

By the way, in addition to treating panic disorder, Klonopin is also an anti-seizure drug. It's generally only prescribed on a short-term basis, and if you reduce or stop your dose suddenly that could potentially cause a seizure. It doesn't sound like that's what you did, but just want to make sure you and your docs look at all possible triggers. If you are taking it on a long-term basis, your doctors should be checking levels from time to time, and also be made aware of any other powerful brain substances your are taking (such as high TCH mj) that might interact with it.

I was going to mention this also, so am glad Nak did. There are many AEDs that are also used as anti-anxiety/mood disorder meds, so one does need to tell the dr. about all meds. I once took Trileptal for both.
BTW, I have TLE, and have had seizures in public several times, ending up in the ER. My seizures started out of the blue when I was 23. So for some, they just start up.
Hang in there! Gotta be patient.

 

[Mojavewolf]

Well I hope yo someday be blessed with someone who loves me for everything I am. But if not that's ok too. Better to be alone then to be around someone that hurts you daily. Even after this accident , he acts like it was nothing and I am a hypochondriac. I need him to help get grocerys and pick meds up. But it is such a bother out of his time. Plus when I have a Dr appt makes him mad! I have tried for six years with him and I have helped him many times and felt good I could help. He has never had to help me do anything in six years! Until now!!!! It breaks my . I love giving and helping others because Ibknow what it feels like. He forgets all the times I have helped him, even driving miles to help him. It hurts me but nothing I can do. So I hope everything turns out ok so I can continue my search to freedom. Thank you for your info!! I just woke up and drinking coffee and saw that box of donuts! Yum

 

[Mojavewolf]

Well I am 62 years young , so it's a nightmare to me. I run, workout and in general good health. I love Harley Davidsons and I ride my own. I I started riding after my husbands suicide death in 07.. I was house bound with deep grief for two years and basically cut myself off from everyone. I always wanted to ride, so I thought I could empower myself and get back to living.. I don't want my life to change again but I have no control over that just like, I had no control over my husbands suicide.I can go to a very dark place and I don't want to do that.So talking on here is what I have. Most likely to much THC and oxygen leaving brain. But I am dealing with Dr's I don't even know.When the anxiety starts up it gets out of hand. All I can do is cry. I realize their are people dealing with a lot harder stuff. But mine turns into a health phobia !! Thank you Friends��

 

[acshuman]

Talking IS the BEST Way to Control Depression and Anxiety!

Mojavewolf,
I know from my own experience that having people available to a person so that person can talk with them is priceless!
I am also 62 and was diagnosed w/E when I was 11yo.
Having people around that I could talk to has made my life a whole LOT better in the last 8 years than it was before. In many ways that problem was my own fault because I refused to open up and talk to others.
Since I went through 5 years of counseling I have seen myself as a different person. It seems as though the true me has been found and I sure like the new me! :clap:

acshuman

 

[Cint]

I started riding after my husbands suicide death in 07.. I was house bound with deep grief for two years and basically cut myself off from everyone. I always wanted to ride, so I thought I could empower myself and get back to living.. I don't want my life to change again but I have no control over that just like, I had no control over my husbands suicide.I can go to a very dark place and I don't want to do that.So talking on here is what I have. Most likely to much THC and oxygen leaving brain. But I am dealing with Dr's I don't even know.When the anxiety starts up it gets out of hand. All I can do is cry. I realize their are people dealing with a lot harder stuff. But mine turns into a health phobia !!

Sorry to hear of your husband's suicide. It's good that you got out there on your Harley and started to ride. However, life sometimes has limitations that we cannot control. I do hope you also find a counselor 'cause anxiety/depression do accompany TLE, too.

Check this website for more info:

http://www.epilepsy.com/learn/impact/moods-and-behavior/mood-and-behavior-advanced/anxiety-disorders

I've suffered from depression along with E for years and for a long time was seeing a shrink and taking an anti-depressant. Was even suicidal at one time.