I had it out with the drs office!

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I called this morning to ask about the benadryl. Since in March 2011, when I took the sudafed, they told me not to take it, since I was off of one anti seizure medication and only on one, the chances of it causing seizures, increased. But if I wanted, I could use Benadryl. I was suprised they would say that, and I wanted to ask again if I heard them correctly.

So I recieved a call at around 10:30am this morning. Again, it was the neuro's nurse. She said she got my message, and verifyed that it was OK to take the benadryl. :ponder: Ok, Im thinking to myself other than that, what could have caused the seizures to come about on Jan 21st and last?

She said according to my neuro, he firmly believes that the seizures that have occured since the 21st of january, are NON EPILEPTIC seizures. Why I ask? I went to see a psych dr, who confirmed that the seizures he assums are NON EPILEPTIC seizures, are indeed Epileptic Seizures! This psych dr also added that if they were non epileptic seizures, they would be controlled with proper medications and therapy, not an anti seizure medication used to only control EPILEPTIC seizures! Where as in my case, once I was put back on the Keppra XR, the seizures stopped. Confirming that the seizures that he saw on the video that did not register on the EEG, are in fact epileptic seizures, and the possibility that them not showing up, could be the fact that they are too deep to be picked up by the electrodes on the outside of the head. Where as if further testing was done, tests that take place where they go inside your brain and place the electrodes inside, those type of tests could pin point the seizures and pick them up. But as of now, and since March 2011, there was absolutely NO talk about any further testing being done to do that.

Further more... this nurse told me that by telling me to take an extra keppra xr tablet, was the drs way of showing me that by taking that extra tablet, and the seizures still occuring, or the auras for that sake, that it was indeed NON Epileptic seizures. My response to her was... "How do you expect to tell a patient to take an 1 extra pill and have the seizures or auras go away, and return to their normal dose the next day, and have nothing happen? When I did take the extra keppra xr tablet, I took it around 3pm on tuesday and wednesday. Both of those days I had no auras for the rest of the day. I then took my evening dose at 8pm. So it did help.

If they were wanting to see if the seizures would stop, then they have to increase the dose not just by adding one extra pill, but my increasing the dose for a matter of time, to see if they would stop. Allowing one extra tablet just one time isnt going to do a damn thing!

Then... more stuff came up!

She said that afterwords affects I was experiencing since these first started on Jan 21st, was NOT Epileptic seizure related.

So, the being tired, really bad headache, pounding throbbing headache, confusion and lack of energy was NOT associated with the symptoms after a person experiences an EPILEPTIC seizure? :ponder::roflmao:

I asked her, What are the main symptoms that one experiences after a real epilpetic seizure?

Her response... "Well, not what you are having".

RIGHT. OK Chick.

She asked if I had migraines? Well, Ive never had a history of them, but I have had headaches, but those were taken care of once I was put on the Keppra XR. She asked what about the headaches youre having now?

Well, what should I expect I should be feeling after going 11 days now, with either having seizures or auras non stop? Should I be feeling like the energizer bunny? She was trying to point out that the headaches Ive had sine having these seizures and auras, are not normal and I should see a migraine specialist. :roflmao:

I pointed out that if the symptoms that I am having... headaches, tired, no energy, etc are not normal symptoms of after having a epileptic seizure, and my dr is not taking the time to correct this problem, what the hell am I suppose to be feeling? According to the research ive done and was told by the pysch dr, after non epileptic seizures, you feel different compared to having a real epileptic seizure. You "bounce" back quicker. You dont have the headaches and so forth that a epilpetic seizure causes afterwords. But then she goes on to say that what Im experiencing is not at all what a epileptic seizure causes after having a real epileptic seizure! :roflmao:

She said it sounds like its best to move forward and get a second opinion.

I told her, yes, we are looking and have been looking around. Its hard for us, because in our area, there are just local neuros who have available medications, but the testing such as the EEG, MRI, MEG Test, those are not here. We have to go a bigger town, such as OMaha, who has the testing available, but the doctors there are freaking clueless. It sucks that they have the tools available but the knowledge the drs need, are clearly not there.

Lets just say I had a good "vent" with her today! :pop: :)
 
Yeah that post was about the sudafed. I just wanted to ask her again, to see if she would denie saying that the benadryl she told me about then, was still ok to take or not. But again, she said the sudafed was not good, but the benadryl was ok. I still dont get it because everything Ive researched says its the ingrediant Diphenhydramine is the one that you have to be concerned about with seizures.

 
momof3boys

I am sorry you are going through this crap with the dr and nurse, I went through this bit as well. How they can tell you how you feel is beyond me, the epilepsy nurse who seen me and is supposed to see me before my neurologist told me much the same only to my face, needless to say I told her "when you have epilepsy, then you can tell me". You get tired having to stand your ground and becoming the baddie. So I am sorry for what you had to endure.
 
Thanks Fedup.

Im just glad I got the chance to express to her how this has all made me feel. How he can just pass these off as non epileptic seizures, when the keppra has been working for all these years... since the age of 17...and Im now approaching 32! I mean come on! Then this nurse tells me that its not normal to have a headache, be confused, tired, or weak after a seizure? When I asked her what are the normal symptoms of a real epileptic seizure after its over? she couldnt tell me. Why couldnt she? Well probably becuase she knew she was wrong, and she would be repeating the exact symptoms I told her I was having since the seizures started!

Then this chick goes on to tell me about a second opinion... and how she can see this dr is not going to do anything more, he;s made his decision and he will stand by it. So be it. I feel sorry for the doctors office which he owns! For the patients of his, and for the University of Nebraska Medical Center. How they can have a dr like himself on board with them, and lie to his patients, not give a damn about their mental health and not give proper care, all because he thinks what he knows is correct. No further testing needs to be done, and he doesnt give a damn about anyone but himself. Im done with that guy. I do pray that one day he realizes all the choices he is making, how its going to affect his patients. The last thing I want to see is for him to tell another patient that they are having non epileptic seizures and approve them of driving, and god forbid they have a seizure while driving, and kill themselves or another. How could he be able to live with himself? Its sad.
 
:paperbag: Oops, I should have read the 1st post instead of only seeing post #4.
 
Thats ok. :)

I just wanted her to admit to me that what she said back then, about the benadryl being ok to use, was the same thing she was going to say to me today. Which it was! I just dont get it though because everything that I read, says benadryl can affect a person who has epilepsy. But according to the nurse, they consider Benadryl like attivan, which is a sedative, and it will not cause seizures to occur.

If thats the case, then there shouldnt be any other medication factors that would result in the seizures occuring. Between taking the Keppra XR, twice a day like Ive done for the past many years... everything else has been fine and normal. Oh well. These people are just not worth my time. Im going to look into going to the local neuro here in town, and if they do bring up wanting to do a EEG, MRI, etc. I guess i will just to have ask them where abouts they plan on having me go to get these done? I;ll be damned if Im going back to UNMC! Not on my life!
 
I am glad you got the chance as well and you are right she could not tell you because you had told her. I mean please you have had to live with this 24/7 so you should know how you feel. I bet the neurologist would not be happy to find out he was loosing money because of her. The unfortunate part of all this is they do not care what happens and they would only say its not there fault. I cannot say I understand epilepsy nurses or neurologist but I do not tell them how they should feel, bet you don't either.
 
Yeah I couldnt believe that she could come out and tell me that every symptom that I have told her since i started having these seizures, were NOTHING related to Epileptic seizures. When Ive gone my whole life, having complex partial and Grand Mal seizures all my life, having the same exact "after seizure" symptoms, and all the neuros Ive seen, said its all part of having epileptic seizures. Then accusing me of being addictive to attivan, when the last time I needed it, which was back in December, I had EXPIRED attivan on hand, that was from November 2011 when the stupid ER dr here prescribed Hydrocodone, which made me have seizures and I was given the attivan by my primary care dr to stop the seizures that were occuring. Out of the 10 attivan i was given, I used 2. The other 8 were expired, and they tell me the seizures that did occur in december, was not because of the generic keppra xr, but its all about me having these NON epileptic seizures, he wasnt going to give me attivan for those, but also used the escuse that it was an addictive medication that I had to get my "anxiety dr" to give me... but the catch... I dont have anxiety and I have never been treated or dx'd with anxiety! LOL
 
They are so good at making you feel as if your in the wrong to start with but then they shoot themselves in the foot and try to say you are confused they do not happen, my God its you it happens to, if anybody know how you feel or what happens it has to be you. But that has to be the best part when they tell you about addiction and being addicted to the drugs the thing is you would not be on them to start with if you did not need them and it was them that prescribed it at the start.

Trust me if the nurse says its anxiety then its got to be, what stupidity, do these people really get jobs looking after our health. I think somewhere it said something about the patient and helping them.
 
Oh this office is #1 at making their patients feel like they are SO wrong! even when I told her about what this dr had told me when I first met him! All those tests out there... the video eeg, the tests where they place the electrodes into the skull that are to located the seizures that are too deep that cant be picked up by a regular eeg! Then he admits to after the veeg, that he didnt say no such thing about a test like that! Yet today, this nurse said that yes, that test does exist! Really? Then when she heard from me that the dr himself admited that there was no test, after the VEEG results were in... she had NO response! Ahh.. if she only knew ahead of time that he said it didnt exsist, she would have agreed with him and said the same thing! she got caught! LOL

She backs up that dr as if he was the god of all. What he says go, no matter if its right or wrong. How sick is that? All these patients are depending on the proper care they need to treat their epilepsy, and they are being treated like this! How sad. :(

Yeah with the anxiety, she had no words to say back to me on that one. Heck I even told her she had my permission to contact my primary care dr and check it out. Of all my 31 years of life here in earth, ive never had any issues with anxiety, nor been seen for it! For him to make up that shit just gets to me. And if there was a way I could report this shit, I so would in a heartbeat!
 
I would not blame you, I tried to find some place I could report my neurologist and epilepsy nurse after they called me a liar, they forgot my wife was there as well, so they said if I had anybody there with me they would tell me I was wrong, they got one hell of a shock when I mentioned the fact my wife was there. They went on about the medical field and being a doctor and nurse, thats when I reminded them my wife is a theater nurse. The same bull that you got it just is not right that these people think they are God and can get away with anything.
 
No matter what, no one should keep a patient in Limbo. They can express what they want, they can think what they want. But epilepsy is still not fully understood. From all the articles i've read here, the personal experiences, and even the information from Drs. Anything related to the brain is still open for interpretation.

If epileptic medication worked, for many years, isn't that a smoking gun? If you had EEG activity multiple times in your life that showed seizure activity how can they ignore that? I don't understand why Dr.s think that a seizure couldn't break through the medication, no medication is on the market that eliminates seizures. It could simply be a matter of adjust the medications, but that can't happen if they just don't try.

I'm sorry you have to deal with this, they really need to explain the logic they have, because it makes almost no sense to me.
 
sudofed makes me feel rough...do you have abit of virus infection at the moment sudfed and infection can make e unpredicatable....sometimes you have go by gut feeling of what you think it is and most time you be right
 
I havnt felt sick at all. Thats why when the seizures hit on that night, and continued, it took me by suprise, and I couldnt figure out why there were coming after being so well controlled on the name brand keppra xr. I knew something was up, but even after talking with the office, they were not willing to help. When the seizures could come in the early morning hours, between 3-5am, I had no ativan here, and the dr wouldnt give me any, so for sleeping I would take a benadryl, hoping it would help me sleep better, and avoid being awakened with the seizures. That nurse there swears that the benadryl will not cause seizures to occur. Its been since tuesday night since Ive last taken a benadryl, and I havnt had no seizures since. So Im really thinking the benadryl has something to do with it.
 
Is this doctor board certified? I mean seriously, he sounds like a total quack. And the nurse isn't helping.
 
I have been throwing up everything I eat since last May. I went in several times for about two months but no one would listen to me until I ended up in the ER weighing 30 pounds less and going in and out of conciousness. They did do a bunch of tests but started telling me I was doing it to myself so I stopped going to the doctors. I still throw up about 3/4 of the food I eat but I just eat more time a day so I won't lose any more weight or die. I really hate doctors....
 
Is this doctor board certified? I mean seriously, he sounds like a total quack. And the nurse isn't helping.

you want to know whats bad about this... this dr is the CHEIF of Neurology at the University Of Nebraska Medical Center... and he is head person of the place he is at! He started this Epilepsy Region Center! The way I look at it is that all the patients of his are in great danger.

I have been throwing up everything I eat since last May. I went in several times for about two months but no one would listen to me until I ended up in the ER weighing 30 pounds less and going in and out of conciousness. They did do a bunch of tests but started telling me I was doing it to myself so I stopped going to the doctors. I still throw up about 3/4 of the food I eat but I just eat more time a day so I won't lose any more weight or die. I really hate doctors....

Thats so sad. I wish there were good doctors out there to help us out.
 
That is horrible Aicila! Losing that much weight that fast can be deadly. I don't blame you, i've lost so much trust in Drs.
 
I had to go thru 4 different Dr's to actually get help. The one Dr told me that the seizures were caused by my alchohol consumtion. I don't drink! lol I actually had to go to the Mayo Clinic to get completely figured out. I am sorry to hear about all the hoops you had to jump thru and hope you find the answers you need. Jeff
 
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