Precognition and TLE

[rory]

I realise this maybe a little out there for some people but ive just come from another post where people touched on this. Has any had any experiences with precognition or prescience that they cant say are epilepsy related.

i have weird experiences, like last week the phone rang and i got the feeling someone was gonna die, my dad my grandad or grandmother and a few days later my grandmother died, but i knew someone was going to die and was waiting for it.
ive known random things like, i was going away for a weekend and i was looking to bring a spare pair of spectacles, incase they broke. well they did and i hadnt any spares cause i couldnt find any, one of the arms just literally fell off.
ive had episodes like that all my life where its not like the deja vu siezures i have, its where i know something, i just know it.
I did read a study about TLE and precognition there does seem to be a link.
i want to bring it up when i next see my neuro but im afriad he'll think im a lunatic or something.
I am a man of science but i do think there is something to this and afterall there is still loads not known about the brain

 

[epileric]

I used to think I was getting premonitions when I was younger. Since then I've read scientific research on that subject. Of course I can't find what I read now that I want it but I found these.

Transient suppressions of nocturnal melatonin levels due to enhanced geomagnetic activity have been suggested as the precipitating source of experiences of postmortem (bereavement) apparitions when the brain has been sensitized (grief) by elevations of the epileptogenic neuropeptide, corticotrophin-releasing factor. Although the hourly incidence of subjective experiences of telepathy, precognition, and bereavement apparitions were all significantly correlated with published indices of hourly melatonin levels, only the significant association between melatonin levels and apparitions was not changed when the other two classes of psi experiences were held constant.

Average diurnal changes in melatonin levels are associated with hourly incidence of bereavement apparitions: support for the hypothesis of temporal (limbic) lobe microseizuring.

 

[rory]

I cant find what i read either. Its interesting. this whole epilepsy puzzle is answering questions i thought would never be answered or didnt know to ask.
Ill be interested to see if my neuro pinned down where exactly my E is, its definitly temporal lobe but is it right or left, how deep is it seated etc?
Also reading what you posted made me realize that most of the mad precognition episodes that have come true have happened at night mostly.
It occured to me a couple of months ago that a friends father was going to die just came out of the blue, i dismissed it until literally 4 days later she rang he had gone in for a routine scan for what was thought to be a back problem and it turns out he has terminal cancer. that was one of the weirder ones
i knew my mother was going to get really ill a few years ago and i knew we would know by wednesday of a certain week and i was right. its frightening but kinda cool.
Peopl might think this is all bs, but its what happened and there have been witnesses to things. my brain my wonderful messed up brain

 

[epileric]

Here's another study. It's well described in full detail so I just quoted the results.

RESULTS

Two hundred eighteen patients with simple partial sensory seizures or complex partial seizures with auras were identified from the database of 927 epilepsy patients.

Three patients were identified with prescience as an ictal feature. The patients' clinical features and results of investigations are summarized in Table 1. The descriptions of the ictal phenomena are as follows:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.0013-9580.2004.68603.x/full

 

[petero]

Stuff like that happens to me all of the time. So much so I've had delusions that someone had hypnotized me and had been having me relive days somehow unbeknownst to my higher-consciousness self, but that I was still able to 'remember' some things that had already happened, that it was some sort of radical new epilepsy treatment I didn't remember being parcel to, because it had been blocked from my memory. Fun stuff. Oh boy!

Often I'll be watching tv and say something aloud "aside" to myself about something unrelated maybe in a thought process in my head, or regarding something I'm doing, and then the tv show/news/sportscaster will say something almost verbatim. If it was during reruns of old shows it would be one thing. But it happens during newscasts and sportscasts, during 'live' events that I couldn't be recalling.

It'll often happen while I'm walking around too. I pick up copper wire scraps from the street to use in my artwork, so I'm typically scanning the ground and I'll often come across some object in the street regarding which I'll think to myself "that's the perfect device to use for _____!" at which point I'll get stuck in my thought process because I don't know for what. But later at home I'll come across a need for something, for example a kitchen drawer will break for which I need a small piece of something to rig it to work again, and that object I found earlier will end up being the perfect strange piece.

I'm skeptical of psychics etc. I try to discount these things as just being outcomes of odds, or that simply I'm a genius artist/designer , ...or that I'm ignorant of the breadth of my epilepsy to the point it has created a delusional mindset, but over time the odds for these types of things happening seems too remarkable.

I have a few events like this that have occurred I can't even convey because they're so strange.
Like answering this question. lol
But this has been asked before. I've asked a similar thing at some point.

It is very weird. But then there are deja and jamais vu...
Or maybe the human mind can work in reverse without requiring action achieve a result. Thought:action:result vs. thought:result.

Or maybe it's something akin to savant autism where someone can see a complex sheet of piano music once, and then play it perfectly without having had a single lesson.
Maybe some can see the world as the sheet music and can just see how the passages will reach result. Miniscule nuances that are able to foretell results.

I bet a ton of people already know who will win the superbowl! Not definitely but they could have the right answer. The more statistics they know, the better their chance of forecast also.

There's probably a guy on your local newscast that does the same thing with the weather.

I realise this maybe a little out there for some people but ive just come from another post where people touched on this. Has any had any experiences with precognition or prescience that they cant say are epilepsy related.

i have weird experiences, like last week the phone rang and i got the feeling someone was gonna die, my dad my grandad or grandmother and a few days later my grandmother died, but i knew someone was going to die and was waiting for it.
ive known random things like, i was going away for a weekend and i was looking to bring a spare pair of spectacles, incase they broke. well they did and i hadnt any spares cause i couldnt find any, one of the arms just literally fell off.
ive had episodes like that all my life where its not like the deja vu siezures i have, its where i know something, i just know it.
I did read a study about TLE and precognition there does seem to be a link.
i want to bring it up when i next see my neuro but im afriad he'll think im a lunatic or something.
I am a man of science but i do think there is something to this and afterall there is still loads not known about the brain

 

[rory]

i used to work the phones in a cab office and after awhile i would alot of the time know the phone would ring and who it would be, it wasnt that they had regular calling times, one couple you might not hear from from one end of the week to the other but i always knew when they were going to ring.
i used to read tarot cards but stopped because when i would read for people i would be spot on usually, i would know suddenly more than i wanted too, i would read for a friend and know something they would never had said to me. it freaked me out to the point that i stopped and havent read in a couple of years or so, yet i keep the cards in my bedside locker just in case.
i replied to a thread you started about deja vu i think. and i have read research on epilepsy and psychic phenomena, there does seem to be a link. who knows. maybe some of us are like savants, the human brain is still a mystery by and large.

 

[Dignan]

Just like in Minority Report!

 

[Laura In Arizona]

I have predicted more deaths than I can remember. The first time was when a new roommate (I had known for about 2 weeks) was murdered and I had told another roommate that it was going to happen. This was in Yosemite when I was 19. I also had a kitten who obeyed my commands in a very eerie way. The other park employees who lived around me treated me like a witch from then on.

At the moment my father-in-law died he visited me and woke me from a sound sleep. It was 2:15 a.m. My husband worked the midnight shift so he was not home. When I first awoke I heard voices and thought it was our neighbors. Then I felt that sense that someone was in the apartment and thought my husband had come home, but he wasn't there when I checked. Later I told him about it then went to school. On the way to school I dropped in at a church where I picked up a booklet I thought my father-in-law would like. I put it back when I "heard" the words "it's over", meaning that there was no need to buy it for him. When I got home from school my husband told me he had received a call from his sister telling him that his father had died at 2:10 that morning.

I had a precognitive vision with an accompanying loss of physical control over my driving of a car which saved my husband's and my life. I had a sense of a spiritual presence to my left during the event.

We had been living in rural Arizona a few months when we went for a drive. I am deathly afraid of all snakes. I blurted out to my husband, "I wish we'd just come across a rattlesnake so I can get it over with." Twenty minutes later, there it was on the dirt road.

The other day, I was driving down the two lane highway, when I "knew" a javelina was going to get killed trying to cross at a specific location. The next day, there it lay, in the exact spot where I predicted it would die.

This is only a small sample of all the psychic experiences I have had in my 55 years. I have memories of strange things happening at least as far back as when I was 6 years old.

 

[jyearta]

One Sat. my husband and myself were on the interstate, he was pulling a boat a few counties over, taking it to my father-in-law.

All of sudden 1st. I asked him to get off the interstate, he said no. Then I demanded he get off--I just felt that I sensed something, he took the next ramp and as we were going (slowly) up the ramp a wheel came off the boat trailer. He said that would have been really bad if we had continue at the speed he was going on the interstate.

NOW..I did not feel that a wheel was going to come off, I don't know how to explain the way I felt.

This is just one of the times.

 

[RunningGirl85]

Yeah, and it's weird! This is going to sound weird to a lot of you who know nothing about the military, but they do random urinalysises to test for drugs (or if you go to a military school, they will randomly inspect your room at 5 in the morning to make sure you don't have things like alcohol/other contraband)... I think about four or five times I've "predicted" we were going to have those types of things... with no warning, no reason to think so. I even brought it up to one of my friends one time that it had happened to me before that I was right about it, and I even said: "Hey, I think we're going to have a urinalysis tomorrow." And we did... And it freaked my friend out.

Never predicted a death, though, as I've never had anyone close to me die (yet... thank goodness).

I feel as if this has happened other times... but I can't remember with what right now.

 

[Laura In Arizona]

Oh, BTW, the way Rory describes knowing that someone was going to die but not knowing who would is how it all started for me. In November 1975, for a university class, I was reading Elizabeth Kubler-Ross's "On Death and Dying" and other books on the subject. I also meditated regularly. During meditation I would enter what I describe as a very peaceful, calm state.
One night I was reading and spontaneously entered that "calm state" and I suddenly just knew "I'm going to be near death or dying soon". I started to think about what this thought meant and, without any anxiety or fear, decided that one of my relatives would die or have a heart attack or stroke or something when I visited them the following March (they lived across the country and I had not seen them since I was a very small child). The calm state dominated my life, though it was not entirely constant, for all the months up to April 1976 when I met my roommate in Yosemite. I took one look at her and felt danger around her so strongly that I couldn't be near her. That's when I told another roommate that she would be dead soon. She was murdered within a fortnight, I had to identify her body in the meadow, I identified her killer, and I had to testify against him at his trial.
Every time I sense an upcoming death, this calm state precedes it. It's almost like an aura of sorts. It overtakes me and is actually rather pleasant though I know what it means.
I also have to watch my tongue around people because I have been known to blurt out things I should not know. It scares people. It's odd how many people (my father was one) will deny any belief in ESP, religion, witchcraft, alternative states of consciousness, yet become tremendously angry (i.e. clearly terrified) when someone else just discusses any of these subjects.

BTW, I have a book by Dean Radin, a parapsychologist who has done a lot of research on the subject of precognition. I am considering writing to him. He has been on TV discussing his research but I don't remember what shows.

 

[Laura In Arizona]

One Sat. my husband and myself were on the interstate, he was pulling a boat a few counties over, taking it to my father-in-law.

All of sudden 1st. I asked him to get off the interstate, he said no. Then I demanded he get off--I just felt that I sensed something, he took the next ramp and as we were going (slowly) up the ramp a wheel came off the boat trailer. He said that would have been really bad if we had continue at the speed he was going on the interstate.

NOW..I did not feel that a wheel was going to come off, I don't know how to explain the way I felt.

This is just one of the times.

jyearta:

Good for you for listening to your gut and for not shrugging it all off!

I was once driving my husband's truck late at night with him in the passenger seat. We were going down a dark, three lane, one-way street that had no stop signs or stop lights. But, the cross streets were all two-lane, two-way streets with stop signs so people had to stop before crossing our street. It was in an old, downtown neighborhood of San Jose, California with Victorian homes surrounded by very dense old growth trees and shrubs. In that area you can't see down cross streets until you are entering the intersections. I mention this last to point out that there is literally NO WAY I could have seen any vehicles coming towards us down any of the cross streets. In fact, that's one reason it is dangerous to drive in downtown San Jose.

I spontaneously entered an altered state and felt a presence near my left shoulder. I had no fear or anxiety, just a sense of curiosity. I lost most control over my body. My right foot rose from the gas pedal so that we slowed down and then it went rigid and kept us at a lower speed. I worked hard and forced my foot down so that our speed went back up to the speed I had been going. My foot literally popped back up to exactly the same spot and again froze so that we were again going the exact same lower speed. I also had a sense of a presence to my left. My curiosity was piqued and I thought, "What's this all about?"

At that moment, as if in answer to my question, I had a vision of a white station wagon with three males in it, driving from left to right through one of the cross streets, blowing a stop sign, at a high rate of speed. I saw the men quite clearly, what they looked like, where they were sitting, their postures, everything.

I now recognize the state as just like a seizure when I am both consciously present in the here and now yet also experiencing a sense of just waking up and still dreaming.

Anyway, I stopped fighting for control of my foot. Two cross streets later (further confirming that there was no way I could have seen that vehicle ahead of time because the vision took place so far back) the station wagon blew the stop sign and sped through the intersection. Everything was exactly as I had already seen it.

The most interesting thing about this event was how it ended. First, I "heard" the words, "There it is." Then, the moment the car cleared the intersection, I was "released" from the altered state and could move my foot. I actually felt as though the "presence" to my left had let go of me. There was no residual aftereffect. I just burst out laughing, feeling just fine. Then I told my husband what had happened and he believed me completely.

Never discount your intuitions, your "knowings", your gut instinct - whether you have epilepsy or not!