So much trouble remember words

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I notice lately that I have a very hard time remembering or even knowing what a word is. They aren't complicated ones but very simple ones. I can describe what the word is perfectly but I just can't think of the word it's self. This has happened through the years but it's seemed to be getting much worse lately.

When my husband and I went to a fast food restaurant for lunch today I wanted to ask if I could get onion rings instead of french fries with my meal but for the life of me I could not think of the word french fries. I was looking at a picture of them and the word was right there on the tip of my tongue but it just wouldn't come out of my brain. I finally said "Those potato things" and my husband asked if I meant french fries and then I knew what they were called.

I even know that I'll have to do this when I'm on the computer at times. I'll have to Google the description or an antonym or synonym for the word to find out what it is. It's sort of like playing the 'Word Association' on here.

It just drives me crazy because people will give me a goofy look like 'I can't believe she couldn't think of what a french fry is'!
 
I was having similar issue middle of last year where I was forgetting my words, more simple every day words & other people noticed it too. I mentioned it to my neuropsych who made note of it. I had a VEEG coming up so my neuropsych said they would arrange for me to have another neuropsych evaluation while I was in for the VEEG.

I had the VEEG in July last year, on my 2nd day of the VEEG another neuropsych came to see me to do a neuropsych evaluation (he was the same neuropsych who also did my 1st evaluation back in 2010 when I was going through my pre surgery tests). With the evaluation alot of the tests involved memory, particularly word tests where he would give me lists of words & get me to memorise them then ask me to repeat them. After the evaluation was done he went of to review how I went & was going to come back the next day to discuss the issues I was having with forgetting with my words & just how I was going in general.

When the neuropsych came back the next day to have the chat he said he picked up that I was very stressed (I guess from watching me the day before & talking to my neuropsych who is his coworker). He told me that my memory was good, in the normal range & had not changed much since the evaluation he did back in late 2010 before my surgery. He mentioned that he felt the issues I was having with forgetting simple words was due to stress I was under at the time.

I notice now when I am really stressed or tired I have issues with my memory or sometimes forget the words I am trying to think off.
Luckily most people who know me eg family, friends, co workers know & wait patiently until I work out what I am trying to work out the word or they might tell me the word lol
 
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If you haven't already had one, a neuropsych evaluation is a good idea. It's a series of tests that measure cognitive function in a variety of areas (short and long-term memory, speech & vocabulary, visual memory, etc.) and the neuropsychiatrist can use the results to help determine which specific areas of the brain are misbehaving and what may make it better or worse. The evaluation also provides a baseline reading that you can measure any future changes against.

Sometimes meds can be the culprit or can make seizure-related memory problems worse. When I was on the med Zonisamide, I had the same issues with word recall that you describe. (I wanted to think of "post office" and all I could come up with was "mail house."). When I changed meds, the problem went away.
 
I've been on Topamax for six years and Zonegran for two years and I have the exact same issue. Actually the way you describe being able to visualize the words, but not being able to say the exact word is exactly what myself and some other people I know have had issues with. Just to reiterate what others have said, it sounds sort of like a medication issue, although I would talk with your neurologist.
 
There's a tv game show that you are given a word and have to describe it to your partner and get them to guess it. I'd bet I'd win grand prize on that one!!!! Think I should sign up to be on it? :ponder:

Need to rant here for a minute about my husband if you don't mind. I know he's the lucky one who gets to see just about everything that goes on with me during a seizure, and many other epilepsy related things too, but he always seems to think he know's what's going on in my head all the time.

I was talking about the french fries with my husband today and we got into a bit of an argument. I told him that I just couldn't think of the word french fry and he said that I just 'froze up' when I was looking at the picture of the french fries. It was basically because I was trying to think of the word and find the word 'french fry' on the menu board so I didn't have to stand there describing one to the girl behind the counter. I was trying to explain that to him but he just knows.....

I wish he could get in my head and see what it's like, I know there's enough room in there even though he's a big guy. Maybe he could even tell me what's going on because I sure don't know!
 
I definitely have issues with remembering words. It's not as bad as not being able to think of a word, but I have trouble spelling. Complicated words like tomorrow or schizophrenia I just cannot spell anymore. It's better or worse depending on the day and how much sleep I get. Usually it gets worse if I get too much sleep (which happens every night). Oh well.
 
Some days are OK and others not so much. Today for instance, every third word seems to disappear from my memory for each sentence I started.

It's always nouns, names, things, places, and it is always oh so annoying!
 
My English took nose dive do not remember sentence construction .i sure tx and sound bis we use not helping
 
Goodness, I so much know this field. Some days are worse than others but I also have the two week period when often my memories are flushed... only the two week memories though :)
 
I do crossword puzzles and other word games and it drives me crazy when I know the answer but just can't think of the word. Sometimes when I get enough letters in I'll know what it is but when I have to look in the back of the book for the answer I'll feel so stupid because it was something like 'oven' and can't believe that I couldn't think of that.
 
Yep, me too, and I've noticed it's ALWAYS a noun, never a verb or an adverb or an adjective. Been quite a few years like this. Also, I seem to have a problem with my pattern of speech. I think what I'm saying makes perfect sense and DH can't follow my circuitous pattern of speaking. I can't seem to help that. That part, well both things actually, seem to be getting worse. I haven't had a seizure in years and years so for me I guess it is the med.
 
Yep, me too, and I've noticed it's ALWAYS a noun, never a verb or an adverb or an adjective.

Same here. I very rarely forget a verb but when I do I can always think of another verb quickly that will fit in that goes with what I'm saying. Like trying to say 'bake' but I'll just 'cook' and it just sounds normal.

I was having trouble with my freezer once and I called the store where I'd bought the refrigerator but when I got on the phone with someone I completely forgot the word freezer. I had a really fun time describing it to the man on the phone while I was staring right at it - 'The part of the refrigerator that's really cold, you make ice in it, it's not the part where you keep the vegetables in, etc...' It was like playing a guessing game with him but when hen he finally guessed the the word freezer I can't tell you how stupid I must have sounded! I tripped over the cat while I was on the phone with him too and screamed. He asked me if I was ok and I had a wonderful time trying to get him to guess the word cat - the furry thing that runs around the house with a tail, ect... that one went on for a good while before he got it!
 
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Neuropsychology tests are good for establishing a baseline, but they're designed to shed light on dementia patients, not epileptics. It's good to get this baseline done, but it won't help you in the short- or long-term.

I spent 6 hours doing this test, doing my best and suffering from an ulcer during the time, only to be told by the test-taker, "You are ill. You need help." Seriously? That's why I was having the test done in the first place.

But, nonetheless, neuropsych tests are designed to measure dementia, not epilepsy. Get it done if insurance pays for it, but don't put much stock in it.
 
I have always had a problem with peoples names even when I was a kid but as I've gotten older I've started to lose words the same way.
I know the concept and can often talk around what I mean or come up with something else but all too often it brings the conversation to a grinding halt while I'm trying to find the word.
I've been taking Topiramate for a few years now.
Since it is giving me kidney stones and I made the decision to stay on it because it's the best control I've had in my life, I'd hate to think I have to put up with this too.
 
Neuropsychology tests are good for establishing a baseline, but they're designed to shed light on dementia patients, not epileptics.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. They ARE a tool epileptologists recommend to help distinguish between medication-related vs. seizure-related side effects. They can also help indicate co-occurring depression. The testing is used prior to surgery to point to areas of the brain where the seizures are originating. And, based on the test results, the neuropsych can often make recommendations for workarounds and adjustments that will approve the patient's memory.

You can read more about the evaluation's use in epilepsy here:
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/neur...rs_clinics/epilepsy/diagnosis/neuropsych.html
 
Nakamova,

Thank you for disagreeing. Seriously.

I had a neuropsych test done because I had a concussion; at the time, i was suffering seizures but didn't know that they were seizures (called them "post-concussive symptoms."

At the time, I was only on Prozac for post-concussive depression, which my PCP diagnosed but I didn't "feel" was happening. (She's a good PCP, though.) Thus, my neuropsych eval was to serve my physiatrist's needs, not any neurologist/epileptologist's needs because I did't have one at the time. I wasn't on any psych/neuro drugs at the time; I was "clean."

How do neuropsych tests "point to areas of the brain where the seizures are originating"? According to the psychologists' feedback after my neuropsych test, I was just fine and dandy, apart from being "seriously ill" according to the test-taker (I think they were looking for dementia, not epilepsy probs). At the time, I did my utmost best on the tests, but I've got 1.5 master's degrees, so maybe I'm really good at test-taking.

I could identify things that were blue, or a figure that didn't match the other 2, or I could assemble blocks properly in the given time. Seriously, does epilepsy affect our intellect? I don't think so, although they might register our ability to take the tests.

Are there neuropsych tests that measure us (epileptics, or PC "People with epilepsy") vs. dementia patients?

These are real questions; I am not starting an online war.
 
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Okay, here goes: :)
How do neuropsych tests "point to areas of the brain where the seizures are originating"?
Generally speaking, if you do well overall, but do poorly on a few tests that measure the same function, the neuropsychologist knows which area of your brain is not working properly. In the context of epilepsy, that area may be where seizures are coming from.
Here are a few of the things the neuropsychiatrist might look for:
1. Patients with left-sided lesions show poorer verbal memory compared to the non-verbal component.
2. Patients with lesions situated on the right-side of the brain do poorer in non-verbal tasks than in verbal tasks.
3. Memory for relational information (pairs of single elements like word-object) relies primarily on the hippocampus. Memory for non-relational information (single words or objects) can be handled by the nearby mesial temporal regions. Mostly these areas work together, but certain tasks are more specific to one region vs. the other. In particular, recollection-based tasks (free recall, autobiographical memory, etc.) are more associated with the hippocampus.
4. The hippocampus also plays a role in "stabilizing" memory for long-term retention. Someone with severe amnesia might forget something after just a few minutes. Someone with TLE might suffer from milder recall issues, forgetting significant information after an hour, or after longer delays.

All these measurements are especially important when evaluating someone for possible brain surgery. For instance, if there are severe memory and language deficiencies in the side of the brain opposite to the one where the seizures originate, the risks of developing post-operative memory and language impairment are high.)


Are there neuropsych tests that measure us (epileptics, or PC "People with epilepsy") vs. dementia patients?
Neurospych tests can be used to look for signs of dementia, Alzheimer's, ADD, learning disabilities, autism spectrum disorders, etc. If the tests are done prior to diagnosis, the the neuropsychiatrist may modify tests or focus on ones specific to a suspected condition. For instance, the Gilliam Autism Rating Scale & Autism Diagnostic Observation Schedule would be used for autism. For dementia, the doc would be looking closely at episodic memory (delayed recall) and semantic knowledge (acquired facts, ideas, meaning and concepts). In order to distinguish age-related decline vs. Alzheimer's the doc would look for certain attention-related deficits in dual-processing tasks, tasks that require the disengagement and shifting of attention, and working memory tasks. For epilepsy, the tests would not ordinarily be used for diagnostic purposes, but for evaluation for seizure localization, extent of any problems, and gauging any changes in function.

In many circumstances it helps to have a baseline test and then a follow-up test at a later date to gauge the nature and pace of cognitive changes (if any). In my case, I had a neuropsych evaluation done when I started Lamictal, in part because on the previous medication I had started to experience cognitive side effects. If after some time on Lamictal I were to suspect Lamictal-related cognitive side effects (I haven't), I could take a second test that might confirm my suspicions or perhaps put them in the context of expected average age-related declines.


I had a neuropsych test done because I had a concussion.
If epilepsy had not yet been diagnosed at that point, the neuropsychiatrist would have been testing to evaluate the nature and extent of cognitive difficulties post-TBI. There are 7 or 8 standards tests used. In addition to memory, attention/concentration, problem-solving, speed of information processing, etc, the doctor would be looking for signs of personality changes (usually things like moodiness, sensitivity, irritability, and reduced frustration tolerance).

Of course, for all of these tests, there are a limitations related to the training of the evaluator, the reliability of the test, the age of the subject, etc. And the tests are evolving as more brain localization data is obtained, especially from things like fMRI.


Sorry for the novel; Hope this helps!
 
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I found that as soon as I went on Carbamazepine I began to lose my words. It got much worse after my neurosurgery. I joke with my friends that having a conversation with me is sort of like playing charades. They understand but strangers look at me like I have grown a second head.
 
I forget words at times which drives me nuts because I'm good with words. If I've had seizures though I'll forget words which makes me mad at myself.
 
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