Thoracic Outlet Syndrome?

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I dont know if this has anything to do with epilepsy, or not... but here it goes....

It all started in the July of this year. I started to experience some pain, which was center, where your esophugus and stomach would be. On August 7th, I went into the ER because I was having such a hard time with the pain and breathing. They did a ECG and ruled out everything was good with my heart. They made me drink this white stuff to numb my esophugus and it helped with the pain. They dx'd me with GERD. Gave me some 20mg prescription medication (generic for prilosec) and told me to have a follow up with my primary care dr in a few days. I go in for my follow up, still having the pain, but not as bad. My dr prescribed me 40mg tablets of the same medication. I took that, and within a week or two, I was back to normal. Come in October, mid october I'd say... I wanted to see if it was ok to stop taking the prescription since my dr said once the pain goes away, I could try to stop it and see if it was healed. So I stopped, went for two days feeling ok, then the tenderness in the same area started up, followed by extream pain again. I went back to taking the prescription medication, and then a week or so later, I had bad chest pain, coughing, etc. Went to our local linc care (urgent care clinic) and was told I had Acute Bronchitis. Gave me some medication to help, and had another follow up with my primary care dr. THey did some xrays and said it was healing. But the pain that I was having prior, went from my center area to my left side of my chest. By my collar bone, shoulder area, and breast area. The pain was so bad I thought it had something to do with my heart. But due to the ECG being normal, my dr said to set up a time with a GI specialist. A dr that specializes in heartburn. Which I did, but cant get in til December 15th! In the meantime, the pain was so bad, I went back to my drs and he had another dr come in to examine me. She had me lay down on the table, feet together, and from standing at the bottom of me, looking face up at me, she said my left side of my body was higher than my right side. She then tells me to take my left arm and hold it out by the table, kind of stretches it back over my head and tells me to hold it there for 10 seconds. As Im doing this, Im feeling the pain go to the same place Ive been having the pain. Then she brings my arm back down, and tells me to rest for a minute. Then has me do it again, only this time, she tries to bend my fingers back, and the pain was so extream I about burst into tears! She said based off of those results, I had Thoracic Outlet Symdrome.

Here's a link that tells more about it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002406/

Thoracic outlet syndrome is a rare condition that involves pain in the neck and shoulder, numbness and tingling of the fingers, and a weak grip. The thoracic outlet is the area between the rib cage and collar bone.
Causes, incidence, and risk factors

Blood vessels and nerves coming from the spine or major blood vessels of the body pass through a narrow space near the shoulder and collarbone on their way to the arms. As they pass by or through the collarbone (clavicle) and upper ribs, they may not have enough space.

Pressure (compression) on these blood vessels or nerves can cause symptoms in the arms or hands. Problems with the nerves cause almost all cases of thoracic outlet syndrome.

Compression can be caused by an extra cervical rib (above the first rib) or an abnormal tight band connecting the spinal vertebra to the rib. Patients often have injured the area in the past or overused the shoulder.

People with long necks and droopy shoulders may be more likely to develop this condition because of extra pressure on the nerves and blood vessels.
Symptoms

Symptoms of thoracic outlet syndrome may include:

Pain, numbness, and tingling in the pinky and ring fingers, and the inner forearm

Pain and tingling in the neck and shoulders (carrying something heavy may make the pain worse)

Signs of poor circulation in the hand or forearm (a bluish color, cold hands, or a swollen arm)

Weakness of the muscles in the hand

Signs and tests

When you lift something, the arm may look pale due to pressure on the blood vessels.

The diagnosis is typically made after the doctor takes a careful history and performs a physical examination. Sometimes the following tests are done to confirm the diagnosis:

Electromyography (EMG)

CT angiogram

MRI

Nerve conduction velocity study

X-ray

Tests are also done to make sure that there are no other problems, such as carpal tunnel syndrome or a damaged nerve due to problems in the cervical (neck) spine.
Treatment

When thoracic outlet syndrome affects the nerves, the first treatment is always physical therapy. Physical therapy helps strengthen the shoulder muscles, improve range of motion, and promote better posture. Treatment may also include pain medication.

If there is pressure on the vein, your doctor may give you a blood thinner to dissolve the blood clot. This will help reduce swelling in your arm.

You may need surgery if physical therapy and changes in activity do not improve your symptoms. The surgeon may make a cut either under your armpit or just above your collarbone.

During surgery, the following may be done:

An extra rib is removed and certain muscles are cut.

A section of the first rib is removed to release pressure in the area.

Bypass surgery is done to reroute blood around the compression or remove the area that is causing the symptoms.

Your doctor may also suggest other alternatives, including angioplasty if the artery is narrowed.
Expectations (prognosis)

Having the first rib removed and the fibrous bands broken may relieve symptoms in certain patients. Surgery can be successful in 50% to 80% of patients. Conservative approaches using physical therapy are helpful for many patients.

At least 5% of patients have symptoms that return after surgery.


Has anyone experienced this before? The dr said it is common with people who have seizures. I just wondered what the heck to do now. The dr told me about physical therapy, but I dont know if can afford that now. They did run some blood tests to make sure it wasnt bronchitis, etc and that all came back normal today. So I dont know what to do now....
 
I don't know anything about this but I wonder if a chiropractic adjustment could help.:ponder:
 
That's very interesting! I wonder if there have been any studies to see exactly how common this condition is in people with seizure disorders. I also wonder which came first -- does Thoracic Outlet Syndrome have a causal role in epilepsy, or does it make someone who has epilepsy more vulnerable to certain kinds of triggers? I've always felt that some physical issues might occasionally play a role in my seizures. Before I had my very first tonic-clonics, I would (infrequently) have arm jerks after raising my arms above and behind my head (as when brushing my hair). And I had one of my tonic clonics when I was carrying a small child on my neck and shoulders -- with arms raised and compression on the neck area.

Kristin -- maybe after getting a training session/instructions from the therapist, you could do the P.T. exercises. I imagine they might involve repetitive lifting and gentle stretching.
 
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Yeah, Im trying to figure out why this came out of the blue? Ive never had this affect me before, and when the dr came in and raised my arm, to see where the pain was, they just right then dx'd me with it. But I got home, started doing some research and they say its often mis dx'd by alot of drs. They recommend on seeing a specialist that deals with this, to have them run some tests and see if they can determine if I have it. I went into the drs with sore glands under my arm, alot of chest pain, and feeling tired and achy feeling. Pretty much like I had been feeling since being dx'd with Bronchitis last month. I thought for sure it came back again. I was just very suprised to hear the dr bring up thoracic outlet syndrome. I had to ask a couple of more times for them to repeat the name of the syndrome to me! My blood work came back normal, which says Im not fighting off anything like an infection that would cause the pain. I have still kept my drs appointment with the GI dr, who will check more into seeing if I have GERD. Maybe thats whats causing the chest pain?

But you know whats weird, is that when I lay down at night to relax and try to sleep, my heart seems to feel weird, like its wanting to get slower and doesnt feel the same as before. I just feel overall different. I just hope it doesnt have anything to do with my heart. My ECG I had done in august came back fine. I dont know what it could be doing that.
 
Chest pain can be really tricky to diagnose since there are a lot of parts of the body that refer pain to that area (like the stomach and the lungs). I hope you can get this figured out.
 
Thanks Nakamova,

I just got off the phone with a person who gave me some names of some drs who specialize in Thoracic Surgery, and such. I left a voice mail for one, which wont be back into the office til Monday of next week. My concern is what Im experiencing is during the night. When My heart seems to slow down, and I get this twitch or jerking through out my body. I just dont feel right. This came on over the past week or so.. and its not getting any better. I would think that when they took the xrays in late October, if anything serious would be there, it would show up? But I dont know... I guess I will hold on til I hear back from the drs office I left a message at today.
 
It sounds like it might be some problem related to the vagus nerve. (The vagus nerve helps regulate heart rate and breathing, control muscle movement, and transmit a variety of chemicals through the body. It's also responsible for keeping the digestive tract in working order, contracting the muscles of the stomach and intestines to help process food, and sending back information about what is being digested and what the body is getting out of it.) Do you have a home blood pressure cuff? it might be worth testing to see if your bp drops when you get the heart-slowing sensation. Do you have any stomach issues? If so, try to avoid eating any heavy meals, and avoid eating at all near bedtime.
 
We dont have a blood pressure cuff at home, but were looking into buying one. My husband has high blood pressure, and with him just getting done doing some tests at his drs office over the past few months, I told him its best to get one for home, so we can moniter his blood pressure. I havnt had any problems with my stomach. But the pain I was experiencing in my center chest, where the stomach and esophagus meets, thats when I had the extream pain and went to the ER in August. They did all the tests and then dx'd me with having heartburn problems. Ive been taking a prescription for heartburn relief since and the pain comes and goes in the center area... but for the most part, its the pain on my left side that Im concerned about. On october 27th, I went to my primary care dr for a follow up about the bronchitis. He said to continue to take the prescription drug for the heartburn pain. The pain Im experiencing now is mostly under my left arm pit, where your gland would be, and it goes to my left shoulder, by my collar bone, up and around my left breast area. When the dr pressed on my left shoulder area and collar bone area the other day, the pain went from my front to my back. Then when she stretched my arm all the way out, it created more pain. I just am trying to figure out if its normal for the pain to go to the left chest area, around the breast, and the upper arm area too. Based on what I have found researching the Thoracic Outlet, it says it can affect the arm, back, neck, collar bone and chest area. Pretty much all the areas Im having pain in. Why my heart is doing that during the night, I have no idea.
 
Im hoping the symptoms dont get worse. My mom keeps telling me not to focus on things too bad, it will only make me want to panic or make things worse. So I went out to the mall with my mom tonight, trying my best not to focus on the chest pain, or the arm or hand numbness... but it was hard not to. I get home, and the minute I sit down, my left arm starts to hurt again and the tingling sensation goes to my hand and fingers in my left arm. This really at times is starting to scare me. Im just so praying whatever this is, goes away! My father in law said I might have a vitamin B-12 deficency. So, after looking over what the symptoms of that would be, it does fit what Im going through. So willing to do anything to try to get this to go away, i went out today to get a bottle of Vitamin B-12. I pray it works.
 
This sounds so familiar

Hello! I am sooooo happy I found this forum this evening. I have had the exact same issues! I will try to be brief:

Last year, May 2012, I started feeling horrible chest pains in the center of my chest. It came on suddenly and, at times, it felt like an alien was about to burst out of my chest. Sometimes it would just be a dull achy sensation.

Went to many many different doctors - Family Doc, Gastroenterologist, Pulmonologust,etc... They all tried diff things. First they thought it was Costochondritis (pulled muscle), but it didn't hurt when pressed on. They also went the antiacid route. I was on muscle relaxers to narcotics. The narcotics helped but I didn't like being on them.

I sought out other opinions. I too was finally diagnosed with Thoracic Outlet Syndrome. I had childhood epilepsy as well. I am recently concerned about my diagnosis, as it has been getting a lot worse.

In the last few months, laying down or slightly curving my back has caused my spine to go numb. My upper to middle back tingles and looses feeling. I try sleeping on my side to prevent it, but then my chest hurts. I stick a pillow between my arms to help that. But then my back goes numb. lol.

I just started researching online and thought, hmm, I wonder if the Thoracic OUtlet Syndrome (having to do with nerves being pinched essentially) has anything to do with my brain sending out the wrong signals to those nerves as a child. I am trying to make an appointment with a Neurologist now to see if they have any opinion on the matter. I am really concerned on the long-term effects this may have on my muscles. Simply reading a book in bed causes my arms to go numb.

When my Rheumatologist diagnosed me with TOS, he said I should go to Physical Therapy to correct it. But now I wonder why it has spread to my back. There is such things Thoracic Spine, but I will speak to the doctors to figure that all out.

Thank you for your post! I'm glad I'm not the only one out there. I seriously thought everyone's hands went numb when they raised them above their head for too long. Guess not. lol.
 
Oh, and I meant to mention, I had shooting pain up on my clavicle at times. My doc said it was associated with the thoracic muscles. I never had pain near my armpit, but I did have pain near my heart. I would wake up twitching sometimes. Sort of like having a fit, but I was aware of it and it was minor muscle spasms. I'd wake up in the middle of the night and couldn't control my legs or arms. That has happened at least 2 or 3 times. It could've just been stress - I was moving at the time.
 
Hi GG, welcome to CWE!

I hope you get things sorted out. It can be tough when neurological symptoms can closely mimic cardio or gastro ones.
 
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